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Old 10-20-2008 | 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by jeff122670
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just curious, what USAF contract did you have? Were you at the Academy doing the DA-20 thing?
No I was on my own. I knew they had just scrapped a bunch of their trainers and didn't have anything to replace them with. Heard they were looking at options so I made a few calls. I told them what I wanted per hour and the local FBO quoted them on the aircraft.
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Old 10-20-2008 | 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by mking84
Nobody makes $ flying a 50 seat do they? Just another case of shiny jet syndrome.
Flying 50 seaters on your own brand is a case of shiny jet syndrome? Don't you work at XJT?
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Old 10-20-2008 | 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by mking84
Nobody makes $ flying a 50 seat do they? Just another case of shiny jet syndrome.
I think the whole idea behind SJS is that it is a pilot affliction. Management made the decision to fly the 50 seaters. I don't think they want to lose money because the jets are pretty, do you?
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Old 10-21-2008 | 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by 170Homie
BB's up to something. That's for sure! Here's a sample pairing:

November 2008 HI 170 Pairings
TRIP F7807 FIRST REPORT: 0619 LOCAL LAST RELEASE: 1934 LOCAL MO TU WE TH FR SA SU
CREW = 1CA 1FO 2FA -- --
DAY FLT# EQP DEP LCL ARR LCL BLOCK CKT/LO BLK DUTY DHD DRIG MIN TRIG SYN CRED -- -- -- -- -- -- --
-- -- -- -- -- -- --
SU 209 EM7 HNL 0719 LIH 0756 0.37 0.24 -- -- -- -- -- -- 23
SU 214* EM7 LIH 0820 HNL 0849 0.29 1.57 -- -- -- -- -- -- --
SU 891 EM7 HNL 1046 LIH 1123 0.37 0.22
SU 228* EM7 LIH 1145 HNL 1214 0.29 3.15
SU 894 EM7 HNL 1529 KOA 1612 0.43 0.23
SU 895 EM7 KOA 1635 HNL 1715 0.40 0.30
SU 895 EM7 HNL 1745 LIH 1822 0.37 0.28
SU 256 EM7 LIH 1850 HNL 1919 0.29 4.41 13.15 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 4.41
CREDIT 4.41 BLOCK 4.41 SYN 0.00 LDGS. 8 TAFB 13.15



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Holy toledo thats a badly built pairing!! Well with no rigs i guess they can do that. 13.15 duty and 4.41 credit. Do you guys have a 6 hour min day?? No pay protection on anything that cancels. Why would anybody want to fly this?
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Old 10-21-2008 | 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by DLAJ77
Holy toledo thats a badly built pairing!! Well with no rigs i guess they can do that. 13.15 duty and 4.41 credit. Do you guys have a 6 hour min day?? No pay protection on anything that cancels. Why would anybody want to fly this?
We have pay protection for canceled trips so long as the company "CHQ" averages over 98.5%(I might be a little off on that figure it's right around there). Yes these trips are horrible and I don't know why so many jumped at the idea. The company was in talks with the union to adjust the compensation for them since HNL is so much more expensive however since everyone bid it anyway I guess they don't need to now. There are no overnight pairings which would mean it's not a base but don't know how much the company plans on sticking to that. If they do then the crews would get per diem 24/7 while out there.
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Old 10-21-2008 | 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck
We have pay protection for canceled trips so long as the company "CHQ" averages over 98.5%(I might be a little off on that figure it's right around there). Yes these trips are horrible and I don't know why so many jumped at the idea. The company was in talks with the union to adjust the compensation for them since HNL is so much more expensive however since everyone bid it anyway I guess they don't need to now. There are no overnight pairings which would mean it's not a base but don't know how much the company plans on sticking to that. If they do then the crews would get per diem 24/7 while out there.

So since its not a base the company has to provide you with a hotel to live in the whole time your out there?? After your trip do they plan on deadheading back to the east coast so you could be at home for 13 or 14 hours and deadhead back out??? Is this really a joke?? And people jumped all over this!!
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Old 10-21-2008 | 09:08 AM
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its a base but it doesnt fit into our cba's deffiniton of a base---multiple destininations, multi day trips....
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Old 10-21-2008 | 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by DLAJ77
So since its not a base the company has to provide you with a hotel to live in the whole time your out there?? After your trip do they plan on deadheading back to the east coast so you could be at home for 13 or 14 hours and deadhead back out??? Is this really a joke?? And people jumped all over this!!
I wasn't getting at that I believe the company will do all those things. I'm just stating that by our CBA HNL doesn't qualify as a base.
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Old 10-21-2008 | 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck
Flying 50 seaters on your own brand is a case of shiny jet syndrome? Don't you work at XJT?
Nope. And it matters where I work because? But I'll tell you it's not RAH. Do I get valid opinion if I work for hulas, jo, or eagle? Who exactly does in your book td?
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Old 10-21-2008 | 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by 8LatRB
I think the whole idea behind SJS is that it is a pilot affliction. Management made the decision to fly the 50 seaters. I don't think they want to lose money because the jets are pretty, do you?
have you seen the e170? That thing is so cool it would make money empty!
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