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Old 10-25-2008 | 07:13 AM
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Pinnacle's bread and butter is pushing the pilot group with multiple reduced rest overnights. A signifigant part of our trips are RR.
Yep... 8 hours on the ground after 5 legs, followed by 4 more legs and borderline fatigue, then "comp rest", followed by another 5 legs.
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Old 10-25-2008 | 09:26 AM
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At Mesaba the reduced rest usually comes on the last night of the trip so you can get your comp rest the next night when you are off anyway....
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Old 10-25-2008 | 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Avroman
At Mesaba the reduced rest usually comes on the last night of the trip so you can get your comp rest the next night when you are off anyway....
I hate those kind of trips. Some of here at Eagle are like that too. I'm sure the same can be said of any regional. The last thing I want to do on my day off is try to recover from 6 hours of sleep (at best) the night before followed by a 5 leg day. I want to spend that time with my family.
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Old 10-25-2008 | 10:19 AM
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same is true at trans states....Think i'm starting to see a trend.

Calling in fatigued is one thing, the fear is that you do it on every scheduled reduced rest over night, and some bean counter starts to see a trend, and you find yourself doing a carpet dance....if everyone does it, it works, if one person does it, they're fired.
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Old 10-25-2008 | 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by flynavyj
same is true at trans states....Think i'm starting to see a trend.

Calling in fatigued is one thing, the fear is that you do it on every scheduled reduced rest over night, and some bean counter starts to see a trend, and you find yourself doing a carpet dance....if everyone does it, it works, if one person does it, they're fired.

Oh, Eagle has them... but they are mostly on the ATR, the now gone Saab routes and such. Not sure about the DFW or LAX folks, but the ORD, NYC and BOS folks are very good at ensuring that kickoff flights go out late each and every time they schedule a reduced rest. They have seen scheduled reduced rests become the rarity in schedules rather than the norm.

They still sneek them in there, and the crews were very good about ensuring they have adequate rest, calling crew scheduling and informing them they will require 8 hours behind the door.... and during the recent TA talks the company acknowledged, and has told crew scheduling that if it is requested, it will be granted.... BUT, you have to call and ask for it. So, at least at Eagle there is no longer any reason to have a reduced rest.... unless you're a company man and decide to. If you ask for 8 behind the door, you get it. The reduced rests have been decreasing in most of the schedules.
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Old 10-25-2008 | 04:28 PM
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Compass can not schedule reduced rest per the contract. I came from Comair and this one section of the contract is a big QOL improvement. Now the only reason you are tired is from early report times, but I don't think those are going away.

I'm sure not allowing reduced rest reduces productivity a little, but it's worth it in my opinion.
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Old 03-19-2009 | 01:07 PM
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The last four trips I had reduced built into my schedule every third day at Mesa.... I'm getting really freekin sick of it
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Old 03-19-2009 | 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Oberon
Compass can not schedule reduced rest per the contract. I came from Comair and this one section of the contract is a big QOL improvement. Now the only reason you are tired is from early report times, but I don't think those are going away.

I'm sure not allowing reduced rest reduces productivity a little, but it's worth it in my opinion.
That is a nice thing to have. Not really THAT great, but my previous employer had it that you couldn't be scheduled for more than 10 hour of duty following an RR overnight. Of course, the key word being "scheduled".

My current employer, I've had lots of 11-12 scheduled days after RR overnights.
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Old 03-19-2009 | 05:58 PM
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I don't think I've ever seen a scheduled RR at SkyW...of course there are the stand-ups (naps, CDO's, etc...). But typically those go fairly senior..of course I've gotten six awarded by PBS in the last two months and I'm certainly not a fan.
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Old 03-19-2009 | 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Mason32
They can schedule whatever they want. I have never had less than 8 hours behind the door (except when I was very new and didn't know any better). If the kickoffs get delayed enough they eventually get the message that the pilot group will not fly fatigued with inadequate rest, and alter schedules accordingly. They only schedule reduced rest because they get away with it. The FAR's are specific about flying fatigued, you do what you need to in order to be legal and safe.
uhh you can't have less than 8 hours rest, it is the minimum for reduced rest...
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