Reduced Rest Schedules
03-20-2009 | 11:27 AM
#31
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You guys are looking a little tired. By the time you get to that outstation I bet you're pretty fatigued.
I'm sure your local fed would love to hear that you're being pressured by management to fly fatigued.
I'm sure your local fed would love to hear that you're being pressured by management to fly fatigued.
03-20-2009 | 11:39 AM
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I would bet that 90% of 9E four days have at least one RR overnight and that 30%-40% of them have two. That being said, if that is the reason why we can get the trip efficiecy high enough to give me 18 days off, I'm all for it.
03-20-2009 | 11:43 AM
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I flew for Pinnacle as a Reserve Captain for 3 years. I assume they r still doing high speeds: This is what I did 90% of the time. I always said if the public only knew this type of scheduling they would be pretty surprised. I could only imagine them driving their personal car under same exact schedule with time to and from the hotel on the overnight and all they have to worry about is their own skin vs 50 of greater pax plus crew.
Its only a matter of time when something bad is going to happen.
But I guess the odds are still in pinchanickles favor because no one has had an accident.
The crew is allready quailified for fatigue starting Day 2 then to top it off they assign a mountanous terrain airport with no radar in snow on the last day.
This schedule is straight from the NWA website!
Do the math on total sleep in hotel after 20 minute drive each way.
Also add checking in time walking to room and preparing for quality sleep.
Brutal schedule: The most brutal schedule I have ever flown!
Somehow we as crew managed not to have to go see the chief pilot or faa because we somehow didn't have any incidents.
Day 1 Trip 1
2534 dtw-chs 9:43 pm:11:58PM
2530 chs- dtw 6:00am : 8:17 AM
Day 2 Trip 2
2534 dtw-chs 9:43 pm:11:58PM
2530 chs- dtw 6:00am : 8:17 AM
Day 3 Trip 3
2534 dtw-chs 9:43 pm:11:58PM
2530 chs- dtw 6:00am : 8:17 AM
Day 4 Trip 4
2534 dtw-chs 9:10 pm:10:57PM
2530 chs- dtw 6:20am : 8:36 AM
Its only a matter of time when something bad is going to happen.
But I guess the odds are still in pinchanickles favor because no one has had an accident.
The crew is allready quailified for fatigue starting Day 2 then to top it off they assign a mountanous terrain airport with no radar in snow on the last day.
This schedule is straight from the NWA website!
Do the math on total sleep in hotel after 20 minute drive each way.
Also add checking in time walking to room and preparing for quality sleep.
Brutal schedule: The most brutal schedule I have ever flown!
Somehow we as crew managed not to have to go see the chief pilot or faa because we somehow didn't have any incidents.
Day 1 Trip 1
2534 dtw-chs 9:43 pm:11:58PM
2530 chs- dtw 6:00am : 8:17 AM
Day 2 Trip 2
2534 dtw-chs 9:43 pm:11:58PM
2530 chs- dtw 6:00am : 8:17 AM
Day 3 Trip 3
2534 dtw-chs 9:43 pm:11:58PM
2530 chs- dtw 6:00am : 8:17 AM
Day 4 Trip 4
2534 dtw-chs 9:10 pm:10:57PM
2530 chs- dtw 6:20am : 8:36 AM
03-21-2009 | 10:48 AM
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i am probably bucking the trend here but i dont want them to get rid of reduced rest. reduced rest is the reason i average 20 days off a month and only work 1 or maybe 2 two day trips in a row. my typical trip starts at the first push, do 5 legs. reduce rest that night and be done around noon the next day. i average 11 hours or so in a day and a half.
and if you live in memphis you REALLY DONT WANT them to get rid of reduced rest. we only have 3 pushes a day. can you imagine if you had to skip one of those pushes just for 2 more hours or so of rest. for example you do the last flight to tlh and get there at 930pm. instead of coming back at 6 you now have to wait till 1200. the trips would become way unproductive and everyone would lose days off in the process.
and if you live in memphis you REALLY DONT WANT them to get rid of reduced rest. we only have 3 pushes a day. can you imagine if you had to skip one of those pushes just for 2 more hours or so of rest. for example you do the last flight to tlh and get there at 930pm. instead of coming back at 6 you now have to wait till 1200. the trips would become way unproductive and everyone would lose days off in the process.
03-21-2009 | 01:06 PM
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The only viable alternative to reduced rest is 24+ hour layovers. I know Skywest has these, but I've never seen a trip at Pinnacle in over 14 months with more than a 23.5 hour layover. Most guys will complain about RR, but if they knew the alternative was one less day off at home and 26 hours at the Comfort Inn, they wouldn't mind so much.
03-21-2009 | 03:54 PM
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i am probably bucking the trend here but i dont want them to get rid of reduced rest. reduced rest is the reason i average 20 days off a month and only work 1 or maybe 2 two day trips in a row. my typical trip starts at the first push, do 5 legs. reduce rest that night and be done around noon the next day. i average 11 hours or so in a day and a half.
And not all operations are the same, but many have a lot of similarities. But think about the guys that CAN'T hold 20 days off, but rather might be working 20 days, AND are having multiple RR's where the company can fit them in.
After a 4 day trip with long sit times, two 10ish hour overnights, and a single RR overnight, with three days off, often that first day is a waste because it's just pure recovery.
03-21-2009 | 05:09 PM
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Good point, RR's can contribute greatly to pay/QOL.
And not all operations are the same, but many have a lot of similarities. But think about the guys that CAN'T hold 20 days off, but rather might be working 20 days, AND are having multiple RR's where the company can fit them in.
After a 4 day trip with long sit times, two 10ish hour overnights, and a single RR overnight, with three days off, often that first day is a waste because it's just pure recovery.
And not all operations are the same, but many have a lot of similarities. But think about the guys that CAN'T hold 20 days off, but rather might be working 20 days, AND are having multiple RR's where the company can fit them in.
After a 4 day trip with long sit times, two 10ish hour overnights, and a single RR overnight, with three days off, often that first day is a waste because it's just pure recovery.
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