MESA Ta
11-04-2008 | 07:07 PM
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its out on the ALPA MAG site.
only improvement is Block or better, 11 days off for reserve and... thats about it
Increased training note cost, PBS, Freedom certificate lock, mandatory flight check in, a pathetic Raise in 2010 if we keep PBS, no min line guarantee for line holders, the list of cons go on.
My ALPA brothers and sisters we are going to need your help to tell APLA to step up to the ******* plate
im so frickin disappointed
only improvement is Block or better, 11 days off for reserve and... thats about it
Increased training note cost, PBS, Freedom certificate lock, mandatory flight check in, a pathetic Raise in 2010 if we keep PBS, no min line guarantee for line holders, the list of cons go on.
My ALPA brothers and sisters we are going to need your help to tell APLA to step up to the ******* plate
im so frickin disappointed
11-04-2008 | 07:14 PM
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its out on the ALPA MAG site.
only improvement is Block or better, 11 days off for reserve and... thats about it
Increased training note cost, PBS, Freedom certificate lock, mandatory flight check in, a pathetic Raise in 2010 if we keep PBS, no min line guarantee for line holders, the list of cons go on.
My ALPA brothers and sisters we are going to need your help to tell APLA to step up to the ******* plate
im so frickin disappointed
only improvement is Block or better, 11 days off for reserve and... thats about it
Increased training note cost, PBS, Freedom certificate lock, mandatory flight check in, a pathetic Raise in 2010 if we keep PBS, no min line guarantee for line holders, the list of cons go on.
My ALPA brothers and sisters we are going to need your help to tell APLA to step up to the ******* plate
im so frickin disappointed
11-04-2008 | 08:59 PM
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Is that right? That's pretty good if it is based on a 28-bid cycle. Would be better than most regionals out there.
As for everyone else telling the Mesa pilots to burn the house down, are you saying that because you would get their flying if they do? Hard to take the rest of us at our word at telling Mesa pilots to strike when it would surely result in them losing all of their flying.
As for everyone else telling the Mesa pilots to burn the house down, are you saying that because you would get their flying if they do? Hard to take the rest of us at our word at telling Mesa pilots to strike when it would surely result in them losing all of their flying.
11-04-2008 | 09:06 PM
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Is that right? That's pretty good if it is based on a 28-bid cycle. Would be better than most regionals out there.
As for everyone else telling the Mesa pilots to burn the house down, are you saying that because you would get their flying if they do? Hard to take the rest of us at our word at telling Mesa pilots to strike when it would surely result in them losing all of their flying.
As for everyone else telling the Mesa pilots to burn the house down, are you saying that because you would get their flying if they do? Hard to take the rest of us at our word at telling Mesa pilots to strike when it would surely result in them losing all of their flying.
11-04-2008 | 09:33 PM
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Ditto. If I thought there were enough people there who felt the same way, I might have stayed.
MAG's problems extend far beyond their pilot contract, that is not going to make or break them...if the pilots give concessions, JO will merely pee them into the wind. Even a massively improved MAG contract would still be industry-mediocre.
11-04-2008 | 10:08 PM
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I’m not sure what to make of all this. Hopefully the road shows have some more of the logic behind why we should accept this TA. I know discussing this on a public forum is probably not appropriate prior to the road shows but I just can’t help myself. It seems nobody uses the ALAPA MAG forum.
Anyway for those who have read the TA on the ALPA website:
What do you make of having to check in for our trip no sooner than 24 hours prior and no later than 2 hours prior? I know a lot of my commuter flights don’t arrive until 2 hours prior to my show time.
I’m not totally thrilled on the language regarding pairing construction. It says that the company will build pairings to maximize pilot’s flight time for a given period. That really doesn’t mean anything. The way to for the company to build efficient lines of time is to put a guarantee that we will get paid a minimum of say 4 hours for each day we show for duty.
It also states there will be 2 ALPA scheduling committee members will be able to participate in the pairing construction process. Is this different to what we have now?
I’m very skeptical of the PBS system and how Mesa will manage it. For me PBS should be about making our schedules as flexible as possible. Any time I’ve tried to FLICA something it gets denied for insufficient reserve coverage. How will this be different in the PBS system and I’m talking about switching a trip for another trip on completely different days, not just picking up stuff on my days off or swapping flights on days I am already scheduled to fly? That would be true schedule flexibility.
I also noticed they have taken away the ability to pick up or trade trips out of our domicile. I never had it happen but always liked the idea that I could pick up flying or swap trips with a domicile closer to my home.
BTW the 11 days off is per calendar month.
Anyway for those who have read the TA on the ALPA website:
What do you make of having to check in for our trip no sooner than 24 hours prior and no later than 2 hours prior? I know a lot of my commuter flights don’t arrive until 2 hours prior to my show time.
I’m not totally thrilled on the language regarding pairing construction. It says that the company will build pairings to maximize pilot’s flight time for a given period. That really doesn’t mean anything. The way to for the company to build efficient lines of time is to put a guarantee that we will get paid a minimum of say 4 hours for each day we show for duty.
It also states there will be 2 ALPA scheduling committee members will be able to participate in the pairing construction process. Is this different to what we have now?
I’m very skeptical of the PBS system and how Mesa will manage it. For me PBS should be about making our schedules as flexible as possible. Any time I’ve tried to FLICA something it gets denied for insufficient reserve coverage. How will this be different in the PBS system and I’m talking about switching a trip for another trip on completely different days, not just picking up stuff on my days off or swapping flights on days I am already scheduled to fly? That would be true schedule flexibility.
I also noticed they have taken away the ability to pick up or trade trips out of our domicile. I never had it happen but always liked the idea that I could pick up flying or swap trips with a domicile closer to my home.
BTW the 11 days off is per calendar month.
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