hours equals experience
11-29-2008, 09:21 AM
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I almost got into an airline with about 400 hours...now im just swimming in the pool with eagle....one thing I have to say, after getting another +550 hours of instructing, I feel a lot more comfortable with flying and more confident as well. Instructing isnt just watching, as an instructor, i feel like I learn everytime I teach someone, whether its instrument flying, or better yet, teach someone how to land.
As for the 1000 hours. Ill see when I reach 2000 hours of instructing and post back and see if it changed me as a pilot. I remember when i had 300 hours and felt like I was ready to take a C152 across the atlantic...now I probably wouldnt even think about it. But thats just me.
As for the 1000 hours. Ill see when I reach 2000 hours of instructing and post back and see if it changed me as a pilot. I remember when i had 300 hours and felt like I was ready to take a C152 across the atlantic...now I probably wouldnt even think about it. But thats just me.
11-29-2008, 09:23 AM
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Hours are a poor way but unfortunately one of the only ways to try and measure experience. I know 20,000hr+ pilots who can't tell you much about airspaces and wouldn't feel comfortable flying into a class B airport yet have no problem flying 10 feet off the ground while going under power lines dusting fields. At the same time I know people with 500hrs of flight time that handle Class B and C airports like a champ.
Hours don't equal experience. Experience equals experience. Saying someone is better because they have more hours is just someone stroking their ego. It's all about what you've flown, where you were flying it, and what type of flying you were doing in it. Bush pilot vs mainline which is better? Just depends on the application of the pilot.
Hours don't equal experience. Experience equals experience. Saying someone is better because they have more hours is just someone stroking their ego. It's all about what you've flown, where you were flying it, and what type of flying you were doing in it. Bush pilot vs mainline which is better? Just depends on the application of the pilot.
11-29-2008, 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by N6724G
What do hours have to do with experience? I constantly here about how 1000hr plus pilots are better sutied for airline jobs than pilots with less than 1000 hrs. I was just curious who set the number at 1000? I mean do you mean to say that the pilot that has 998 hours is a lesser skilled pilot than the one tha thas 1000 hours? Is the pilot who flew straight and level in VFR for 1000 hours to the same location or the CFI who sat in the right seat and "wathced" someone else fly for 1000 hours is a better pilot than the guy who flew 500 hours in hard IMC in multi engine airplanes daily?
I constantly hear "get your time up, get your time up" Just because you have 2000 hours doesnt make you a better pilot than a guy that has 500. I think it depends on the kind of flying you do.
I constantly hear "get your time up, get your time up" Just because you have 2000 hours doesnt make you a better pilot than a guy that has 500. I think it depends on the kind of flying you do.
11-29-2008, 10:07 AM
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You may be a better pilot at 500 than some other guy is at 1000, but you'd be hard pressed to convince me that you won't be a better pilot at 1000 hours than you are now.
As a CFI, your goal should be to avoid doing 800 hours of steep turns, stalls, and landings. That's exactly why you get your CFII and MEI and find students who need your skills. Instrument flying as an instructor is some of the best experience you can get until you get your first airline job.
As a CFI, your goal should be to avoid doing 800 hours of steep turns, stalls, and landings. That's exactly why you get your CFII and MEI and find students who need your skills. Instrument flying as an instructor is some of the best experience you can get until you get your first airline job.
11-29-2008, 11:00 AM
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Airplanes are not like horses:They don't sense the experience of the rider.
And no one bestows great reverence on an older person who has been DRIVING A CAR, accident-free for many years (save for the odd insurance agent).
A certain number of flight hours, conducting a certain type of operation IS important. Flight Instructing for enough hours to become very skilled at it is important. So is flying enough to become a skilled aerial applicator or Part 135 Captain or seaplane pilot.
It take about 1000 hours in the FO seat of any of our airliners just to become proficient - in THAT SEAT!
1000 hours is barely enough flight time to get really proficient at any one thing.
And no one bestows great reverence on an older person who has been DRIVING A CAR, accident-free for many years (save for the odd insurance agent).
A certain number of flight hours, conducting a certain type of operation IS important. Flight Instructing for enough hours to become very skilled at it is important. So is flying enough to become a skilled aerial applicator or Part 135 Captain or seaplane pilot.
It take about 1000 hours in the FO seat of any of our airliners just to become proficient - in THAT SEAT!
1000 hours is barely enough flight time to get really proficient at any one thing.
11-29-2008, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by j1b3h0
It take about 1000 hours in the FO seat of any of our airliners just to become proficient - in THAT SEAT!
1000 hours is barely enough flight time to get really proficient at any one thing.
1000 hours is barely enough flight time to get really proficient at any one thing.
I dunno but I felt pretty proficient on the -9 when i was done with OE... could just be my experience but i thought it was easy.
11-29-2008, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by XJkid
I dunno but I felt pretty proficient on the -9 when i was done with OE... could just be my experience but i thought it was easy.
As far as the original question, the thread starter is right. It' just that the airlines don't have the time and money to leave their recruitment to chance. We all hear of the 200 wonders that can fly like they have years of flying experience, and we've also heard of the 200 wonders that do holding patterns on the ILS. The airline needs a bar and 1000 is it. In my opinion it shouldn't be as high especially for RJs. Yes it's going to be painful for the CAs but all it takes is 1 or 2 months of coaching.
11-29-2008, 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by bryris
Being a CFI is more than just sitting in the right seat squawking "more right rudder". YOU are PIC through and through. If anything were to happen, who is going to get burned? Plus, if you add in the randomity factor of what a student might do or not do, it creates a similar situation to airline flying, where you must be aware of everything that is going on whether you are physically doing it or not.
It is a fact that 16-18 year olds get into more car crashes. Why? Certainly hormones and things are a factor, but experience is the factor as well.
I believe there is a benefit that is hard to quantify from having more experience. This probably goes deeper than you think. Having command over the whole environment is more than just being able to hold 45 degs +/- for a 360 turn.
Now that I have been driving my car for 11 years, its basically automatic. I've seen a lot of things and so the chances of experiencing something new are reduced. Flying is getting this way as I close in on 2,000 hours. There is no doubt that I could fly a visual approach in the RJ to a successful landing without a single instrument available to me. Even airspeed can be judged based on visual and aural queues, sink rate as compared to pitch attitude, etc. That only comes with some experience.
1,000 hours doesn't equal another 1,000 hours. Towing banners up and down the beach on Saturday is a far cry from zooming though the soup with a new instrument student. But that is what interviews are for!
It is a fact that 16-18 year olds get into more car crashes. Why? Certainly hormones and things are a factor, but experience is the factor as well.
I believe there is a benefit that is hard to quantify from having more experience. This probably goes deeper than you think. Having command over the whole environment is more than just being able to hold 45 degs +/- for a 360 turn.
Now that I have been driving my car for 11 years, its basically automatic. I've seen a lot of things and so the chances of experiencing something new are reduced. Flying is getting this way as I close in on 2,000 hours. There is no doubt that I could fly a visual approach in the RJ to a successful landing without a single instrument available to me. Even airspeed can be judged based on visual and aural queues, sink rate as compared to pitch attitude, etc. That only comes with some experience.
1,000 hours doesn't equal another 1,000 hours. Towing banners up and down the beach on Saturday is a far cry from zooming though the soup with a new instrument student. But that is what interviews are for!
It depends on the student you are training. yes, I am aCFI and most of the folks I train areworking on their commercial or getting an aircraft checkout in our club. I have one student but after lesson 2 its mostly hands off flying for me. I direct and monitor the student. I am not actually manipulating the controls. Plus I just got a airline job so I am not instructing as much anymore
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