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Old 12-11-2008 | 07:04 AM
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What is the majors take on Turbine PIC time in an Air Tractor, Hold the Holy Grail of the 1000 TPIC in the Air Tractor, am currently an F/O on the Dash 8.
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Old 12-11-2008 | 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by alvrb211
I have just over 8000 hours. I fly with guys who have >16,000 hours. Are they twice as good even if I have more turbojet PIC?
The problem with this statement is that there will be a point of diminishing returns. The learning curve will never continue exponentially upward. While we are all indeed still learning, no matter our experience level, an individual can only be so good, and only retain so much knowledge.

One way to look at this is to put a whole bunch of pilots on paper, in a line-up in order of experience (hours) relative to a particular operation. For this case, let's say a flight from A to B in your typical regional jet. Would you put your wife and kids on the plane with a captain who just upgraded at ATP mins and the FO has 600 TT, or would you pick the most experienced people to fly your family? (if you fit in either of those categories, don't take this personally)
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Old 12-11-2008 | 08:46 AM
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I'm sure the post was just trying to match the ridiculousness of comparing Slob time with ResetJet time. Hours aren't the same no matter how you slice-em. It depends on what you do with these hours of experience.

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Old 12-11-2008 | 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by 145Driver
The problem with this statement is that there will be a point of diminishing returns. The learning curve will never continue exponentially upward. While we are all indeed still learning, no matter our experience level, an individual can only be so good, and only retain so much knowledge.

One way to look at this is to put a whole bunch of pilots on paper, in a line-up in order of experience (hours) relative to a particular operation. For this case, let's say a flight from A to B in your typical regional jet. Would you put your wife and kids on the plane with a captain who just upgraded at ATP mins and the FO has 600 TT, or would you pick the most experienced people to fly your family? (if you fit in either of those categories, don't take this personally)
I'd take the guy with 600TT because if my son or daughter were to go up front after the flight they could all talk Gameboys, Playstations, and Nintendos.
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Old 12-11-2008 | 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by cencal83406
I'd take the guy with 600TT because if my son or daughter were to go up front after the flight they could all talk Gameboys, Playstations, and Nintendos.
That is assuming the 600TT guy didn't have a panic attack when the master warning decided to complain at him.
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Old 12-11-2008 | 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by 145Driver
The problem with this statement is that there will be a point of diminishing returns. The learning curve will never continue exponentially upward. While we are all indeed still learning, no matter our experience level, an individual can only be so good, and only retain so much knowledge.

One way to look at this is to put a whole bunch of pilots on paper, in a line-up in order of experience (hours) relative to a particular operation. For this case, let's say a flight from A to B in your typical regional jet. Would you put your wife and kids on the plane with a captain who just upgraded at ATP mins and the FO has 600 TT, or would you pick the most experienced people to fly your family? (if you fit in either of those categories, don't take this personally)
The way training is in the US is very different to that of other countries. The FAA at ATP level, doesn't prepare you for overwater international ops because they assume your first gig will be domestic overland ops only. International flying is a different ballgame and a lot of guys in the US won't see it until they've already logged thousands of hours in regional jets, if at all. My point here is that the learning curve is much steeper in the early days for pilots overseas. I logged 1350 hours piston time in Florida before I got a regional job. It would have been beneficial for me to trade in the light trainers a lot sooner for something bigger with more sophisticated ops. Any industrial psychologist will tell you, you should be proficient after a few hundred hours of the same operation.

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Old 12-11-2008 | 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by alvrb211
International flying is a different ballgame and a lot of guys in the US won't see it until they've already logged thousands of hours in regional jets, if at all.
The way it's going, A LOT of guys won't see international until after logging thousands of hours in narrow body/domestic/North American operations.
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Old 12-11-2008 | 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by dojetdriver
The way it's going, A LOT of guys won't see international until after logging thousands of hours in narrow body/domestic/North American operations.
Unless you have a side gig like Bruce Dickinson or John Travolta.

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Old 12-11-2008 | 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by alvrb211
Unless you have a side gig like Bruce Dickinson or John Travolta.

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Very true, but even though BD did his training here in states, if I'm not mistaken we was able to take advantage of the European style SSTR program to get him his first job, then the second flying the 757.
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Old 12-11-2008 | 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by dojetdriver
Very true, but even though BD did his training here in states, if I'm not mistaken we was able to take advantage of the European style SSTR program to get him his first job, then the second flying the 757.
He did but the JAA ATPL is no walk in the park.

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