"The new guys that voted yes will learn over the next couple of years if it was a mistake or not."

Not so fast, Ive personally talked to quite a few senior captians in phx that were going to vote yes. Some of them were afraid "the new guys" were going to be the ones who voted this TA down. These guys were afraid that they might lose thier job if this didnt pass. Apparently very senior people here dont learn from thier mistakes!

Well I did laugh when I read your post. Cheers.

Well you confirmed my hunch.

Well I'd say they did but it's my opinion. It's about the greater good though, not about the ME! ME! ME! mentality that the passing of this TA clearly exhibits. No, gojet doesn't hold a candle to the debauchery that mesa has created like the demise of Aloha, a 50 year legacy, constant undercutting of the regional industry, and the years that it has set regionals back in qol. Until today it was thought that it was management's fault but this TA has confirmed that the pilots are right behind management. What possible argument can any of you have after the passing of this TA? I feel sorry for all of you that voted yes, you're going to be forever associated with the passing of the 2008 TA.

I love it that this thread is virtually missing any Mesa bashing at all . . . it's all Mesa pilots and former Mesa pilots saying how disappointed they are. Good to see a thread like this, Mesa pilots talking about Mesa hoenstly (rather than other pilots 'poo-poo'ing Mesa).

Until a 'go jet' pilot gets on here and bashes Mesa - typical.

And yeah, Airfix, you got the message. Blame ALPA, blame the industry, blame the economy, blame whoever - in the end, it's only the fault of those currently @ Mesa. You voted in the leadership that nominated the negotiating committee, who negotiated the TA, who sent it out to the pilots, and then (just barely, but it counts the same as a windfall) the MAG pilots voted it in.

Hopefully, in 2 years, with more @ stake and more airlines @ the table @ the same time, things will change. The 'we have a gun to our heads' story is a pretty hard sell right now - there's no alter ego carrier to contend with, but I'm sure a good story will emerge soon.

For now, unify behind the current TA as best you can.

BURflyer,

Keep posting, someday you will feel good about yourself!

I was going to make you look stupid, but you took care of that for me.

Thanks.

With that: Let's click ignore on BUR, and/or quit feeding the troll. Back to Mesa TA discussion.

Is it true there is no pay raise and the 8 day off thing remains? Just curious..

No pay rise for captains, ever. Not even a CPI link. FO's get a one time 2% increase in 2010 with no CPI. Reserve min days off is increased to 11. PBS introduced with no pilot control over parameters. Electronic check in 24 to 2 hours prior to show time.

The argument that ALPA made is that block or better and line guarantee is effectively a 20% pay raise. Well block or better wouldn't have helped me yesterday as I was sitting in an airport with a scheduled 19:30 departure but a wheels up time of 02:30. For those 7 hours I made approximately $10 of per diem :o. Obviously this won't change in the new contract.