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Old 07-16-2009 | 05:58 PM
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Old 07-16-2009 | 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by xtreme
You guys do know that it would only take a few more months of instructing at ATP to get 1500 hours. Alot of the days are 8 flight hour days and 7 days a week pretty much.
That's exactly why I desire only a handful of training options (preferably at 141 4 year universities) , country wide, for 121 ops monitored and administrated by the FAA.

I have nothing against ATP, Flight Safety, etc. If you want to get your Comm.-Multi in 6 months, knock yourself out. But not to go to 121 ops.
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Old 07-16-2009 | 06:35 PM
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I personally don't see how talking about the wright brothers for 4 years makes anybody a better pilot, but that's just my opinion.
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Old 07-16-2009 | 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by JetJock16
Don't forget that Babbitt’s talking about creating 121 mins. He's mentioned 1500TT or ATP mins in order to be hired by a 121 carrier, you won't have to have an ATP but you'll have to have the hours. Thus completely cutting off the quick route to the regionals and ending the 0-Hero pilot age.

We need this and we need this now and Randy has my full support.
thats exactly what needs to happen.
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Old 07-16-2009 | 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by xtreme
You guys do know that it would only take a few more months of instructing at ATP to get 1500 hours. Alot of the days are 8 flight hour days and 7 days a week pretty much.
A few more months of instructing? At Pan Am (in PHX) we all had more students than we could handle and the best I ever did was 134 hours in 30 days. My average at PAIFA was around 90/month with weather that allowed 365 days of flying. How many hours do you gain in an ATP 0-Hero course? 200? 250? 300? That means he/she still needs 1200 hours to meet the 1500TT mins. At an average of 100/month it will take him/her at least 12 months and more than likely longer seeing that the number of FAA enrollments are decreasing due to lack of financing. Plus how many FAA students do PAIFA, DCA and ATP take in every year? Maybe 300-400 between the three (80-90% are now foreign) and not all of them will have the work ethic to work that many hours. That's not near enough to cover demand, just look at how quickly we ran through CFI's a few years ago. And the topper? Imagine what the regionals would have done 3 years ago if 1500TT were the 121 mins. Pilot pay would more than likely be higher than it is today just so they could attract 135er’s and furloughees. His buffer is all we need, it will create a real shortage of pilots willing and able to work for crappy regionals wages after just a few short years of mainline hiring.

Plus let’s say they one or two of these 0-Hero pilots can average 150 hours per month and in June of the same year ends up with the opportunity to get hired by a 121 operator. No airline’s going to hire a pilot who can only fly another 100 hours before they time out for the year. (6 X 150 = 900 – 1000 = 100)

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Old 07-16-2009 | 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by DeltaPaySoon
That's exactly why I desire only a handful of training options (preferably at 141 4 year universities) , country wide, for 121 ops monitored and administrated by the FAA.

I have nothing against ATP, Flight Safety, etc. If you want to get your Comm.-Multi in 6 months, knock yourself out. But not to go to 121 ops.
What an ignorant statement. We know where you came from. After all, we all know the 4 year pilot factories turn out the best pilots the world has ever seen.
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Old 07-16-2009 | 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by JetJock16
Oh, BTW, labor laws prevent a pilot from working 7 days a week.
Just curious where this came from? I work 7days a week at my flight school (usually 2-3 days off a month). The only limitation that I was aware off was the 8hrs instruction in 24hrs rule. I know some schools have company policies of rest for instructors. I'm just not aware of any legislation preventing you from working 7 days a week.
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Old 07-16-2009 | 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by fjetter
Just curious where this came from? I work 7days a week at my flight school (usually 2-3 days off a month). The only limitation that I was aware off was the 8hrs instruction in 24hrs rule. I know some schools have company policies of rest for instructors. I'm just not aware of any legislation preventing you from working 7 days a week.
That's right, I was thinking of overtime laws and each states different.
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Old 07-16-2009 | 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by bryris
What an ignorant statement. We know where you came from. After all, we all know the 4 year pilot factories turn out the best pilots the world has ever seen.

????

Oh boy, here we go again......
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Old 07-16-2009 | 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by JetJock16
A few more months of instructing? At Pan Am (in PHX) we all had more students than we could handle and the best I ever did was 134 hours in 30 days. My average at PAIFA was around 90/month with weather that allowed 365 days of flying. How many hours do you gain in an ATP 0-Hero course? 200? 250? 300? That means he/she still needs 1200 hours to meet the 1500TT mins. At an average of 100/month it will take him/her at least 12 months and more than likely longer seeing that the number of FAA enrollments are decreasing due to lack of financing. Plus how many FAA students do PAIFA, DCA and ATP take in every year? Maybe 300-400 between the three (80-90% are now foreign) and not all of them will have the work ethic to work that many hours. That's not near enough to cover demand, just look at how quickly we ran through CFI's a few years ago. And the topper? Imagine what the regionals would have done 3 years ago if 1500TT were the 121 mins. Pilot pay would more than likely be higher than it is today just so they could attract 135er’s and furloughees. His buffer is all we need, it will create a real shortage of pilots willing and able to work for crappy regionals wages after just a few short years of mainline hiring.

Plus let’s say they one or two of these 0-Hero pilots can average 150 hours per month and in June of the same year ends up with the opportunity to get hired by a 121 operator. No airline’s going to hire a pilot who can only fly another 100 hours before they time out for the year. (6 X 150 = 900 – 1000 = 100)
Our last American student at PAIFA is working on his comm multi. After he is done, we'll be 100 percent Chinese
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