APM145

Hey, did you know your COO thinks your paid too much? Seem like its your fault that Rjet is a regional airline. If it were up to him he would lower the FO and CA pay on the 77-100 seat aircraft because his "fuzzy" math says you get paid more that a Mainline crew. Seems Odd.

http://ab145xy.onet.net/vodcast4.html

I always thought the crew cost for RJet was between:
1 year 87/Hr
20 years 156/Hr

And that the majors were around:

1 year 112/Hr
12 Years 180/Hr

...and thats not taking into account the 150% JB crews get above 70 hours, or the quality of life in the contracts, or that the aircraft would operate under one management team...

Build unity, I think you will see lots of pressure to fly small narrow body aircraft for RJ 50 seat rates. I think your management will also start using the term RJ when reffering to the E190/195, B717, DC9... and not to describe the flying they do but to dictate the pay they want to assign.

Good Luck

APM145

CRW= CA and FO cost combined

77-100
Rjet 77-100 Ca/ Rjet Fo/ Rjet 77-100 Crw
64 23 87
68 31 99
73 36 109
75 37 112
77 37 114
80 37 117
82 37 119
85 37 122
87 37 124
90 37 127
93 37 130
96 37 133
99 37 136
102 37 139
105 37 142
108 37 145
111 37 148
114 37 151
116 37 153
119 37 156

E190
JB E190 CA/ JB FO/ JB E190 CRW
88 40 128
90 53 143
92 55 147
94 58 152
96 61 157
98 62 160
100 64 164
102 65 167
104 66 170
106 68 174
108 69 177
110 70 180

77-100
NWA 77-100 CA/ NWA FO/ NWA 77-100 CRW
81 31 112
82 44 126
84 46 130
86 49 135
88 51 139
90 52 142
92 53 145
93 54 147
95 55 150
97 56 153
99 58 157
101 59 160

E195
NWA E195 CA/ NWA FO/ NWA E195 CRW
81 31 112
83 44 127
85 46 131
88 49 137
90 51 141
93 53 146
95 54 149
98 56 154
100 58 158
103 59 162
105 61 166
108 63 171

flynavyj

Of course they're over paid. If you've ever managed a construction site, you'd also know that you're ALWAYS overbudget, and ALWAYS behind schedule....Same tactic, he'll secure more flying, if you'll give up more quality of life and pay to do so.

ToiletDuck

I don't know any management that says they think their employees should earn more. Plus the pay rates he's talking about are for the 86 seats which we don't have an 86seat base anyway. Basically at the end he's completely full of it. CASM is where the line is drawn. He needs to compare work rules along with those $$$ amounts. Let mainline keep them. Don't want em here.

I was going to post this video not because of RAH or anything related to us but you can see the operational performance stats of other DAL carriers and some shocking performances from Mesa and GoJets.

APM145

Aircraft such as the E195 cannot be removed from the same classification as the B737-300/500 because of large differences in pay. I do feel that the weight difference is considerable. I feel a good "line in the sand" between narrow body and small narrow body would be MGTOW of 139,500LBS. This is the max weight for takeoff on the 737-300. I would consider anything bellow this weight a Small Narrow-Body, because of seating and MGTOW. The E195 has a MGTOW of 115,279lb this would make it a Small Narrow-Body using this classification. That puts it in with the DC9, BAC111, F100, B717, and 737-3/500. The bottom of the classification would be 80,500Lbs that covers the CRJ 900 series of aircraft. This is a fair look at what aircraft serve mainline and regional markets while taking into account historical aircraft that have been in service and NOT called regional airplanes just to reduce crew costs. The BAE146 once flew at AA under a mainline flag as well as the smaller DC9's which still fly for NW. To buy a larger plane and pay pilots less because of the word express is silly. But hey, airlines are silly places.

Also, I have added a small look at what SkyWest has for the small narrow body aircraft 100-159 seat pay scale and CAL for the same small narrow body seat range (BAE146, 737 300/500, B717)

Yr-SkyWest CA/FO
2- 95/48
10- 104/56
18- 120/56

Yr-CAL CA/FO
2- 137/57
10- 147/100
12- 150/102

ExperimentalAB

Ayep...no surprise here -- we'll always be overpaid, always hounded for concessions, and always fighting for better work rules...

A cabbie giving me a ride home the other day told me that they were limited to a 13 hour duty day, and only 11 of those could be behind the wheel. Unreal.

dojetdriver

It's the unionized groups that get to go through those issues. The NON unionized ones simply get to ride the coat tails when things are on the way up, and have their pay and "policy handbook" reinterpreted at managements whim when they are on the way down.

Jake Wheeler

There ya go!

My wife will be pleased to know all of our sacrifice is now worth it since I've been promoted to the ranks of the overpaid.

madman moe

Every airline pilot should read "Flying the Line Vol. 1." This is nothing new.

jhflyin

We see how smart he is... I watched the video and looks as though this guy cannot even add correctly. 91+26 is not 115.... But, he can run an airline..... Nice editing......