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reelbigchair 01-06-2009 10:48 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 531878)
Actually I did that for most of 2008. Military reserves, and some other odd jobs I do. The reserves are great because your recall rights are guaranteed. Join up now, while there is opportunity and demand. You don't even have to fly, the pay is pretty good and gets better over time. I would recommend getting a commission if possible.

If you expect aviation to provide for you over your lifetime in a consistent and reliable manner you need a DOT test right now :rolleyes:

But anyway...my entire premise on this subject was that junior FO's could replace their income and be home every night rather than commuting to reserve. If it really is that hard to get a $20K job right now, then I would vote not to fulrough (if there was such a vote).

Our junior F/O's are all on second year pay by now.. they're making more than 20K. Looking quickly at APC payscale jet reserve F/O's who don't fly EVER would make 31,500... on the Bro that equals 25,200. This is before a single minute of per diem, vacation pay, holiday pay etc. It also assumes that you NEVER break guarantee over the course of the entire year.

BHopper88 01-06-2009 11:39 PM

In the Brasilia, then you take that amount, minus taxes you are still hovering around 21 or 22 a year.. oh and did i forget to add the cost of benefits (Delta non rev), medical, vision, dental,or if you want to invest in the 401k. It all just brings that yearly income down even more.

If I could join the ANG, I would, but being 31 in Jan, and that my uncorrected vision (wear contacts that bring it better than 20/20), I have been told I cant because of age and vision.
Plus, (mostly out of curiosity) could you even get the time off from an airline to start training in the ANG for the what 2 years?

Newty 01-07-2009 06:07 AM


Originally Posted by reelbigchair (Post 532319)
Our junior F/O's are all on second year pay by now.. they're making more than 20K.

Not quite. I assume you're talking about SKYW and today is my one year mark so second year pay starts for me now but there was at least one more class and I think there were 2 classes that started after me. Makes me so happy to know that jet FO's that started after me will soon be making muach more than me:mad: oh well, at least I am still employed (for now):confused:

siemprerojo 01-07-2009 06:49 AM


Originally Posted by Slaphappy (Post 530633)
I shouldn't be expected to subsidize other peoples paychecks, this isn't the soviet union. Its sucks some people might lose their jobs in this economy but thats the way life works. I have bills to pay too and the policy manual says that lineholders can expect 87 hours per month.

Hey Slap!
When NWA starts hiring again, you will be a perfect fit! "Got mine, pull up the ladder" or "Geez when I was a youngster, I had to fly freight upside down in my Aztec with one engine failed and the other engine leaking oil, so you should have to also" or "Insert lame excuse for my greed here______"
I hope most on this thread are young up and coming pilots that have the progressive attitude that helping each other out makes the world a better place.
We've seen where self-centered greed have gotten us in the financial, automotive, etc. industry.
Good luck to all.

rickair7777 01-07-2009 08:05 AM


Originally Posted by BHopper88 (Post 532324)

If I could join the ANG, I would, but being 31 in Jan, and that my uncorrected vision (wear contacts that bring it better than 20/20), I have been told I cant because of age and vision.
Plus, (mostly out of curiosity) could you even get the time off from an airline to start training in the ANG for the what 2 years?

Sounds like flying is out. But I would recommend guard/reserve in any capacity, flying or not, for an airline pilot. Reserve duty can interfere with a manager's career progression, but it will not impact a pilot's civilian career...you are just a number on a list. You can take off as much time as needed for training. No permission required, you just have to notify the company.

It's about the only way you're going to get a retirement in aviation...

flyboyzz1 01-07-2009 02:16 PM


Originally Posted by JetJock16 (Post 530075)
SKW will not furlough until they see their Summer FLT Schedule. At that time one of three things should happen:

A. Furlough up to 200 pilots
B. We will maintain our current levels until the end of summer when based upon our attrition, part time pilot lines and VLOA's they will reevaluate whether to furlough or not and how many to furlough.
C. We could see an increase in projected flying mainly on the UAL side. If this happens I wouldn’t expect SKW to start new hire classes because we are way overstaffed (to the tune of 200-300 pilots). It would take a pickup of over 30 a/c for SKW to start “dry docking” our poolies.

My thoughts/opinion………no furloughs with a small increase in flying, increased VLOA’s out past 6 months with routine currency training/FLT’s and 100++ PT pilot lines (will go extremely senior)…………………but I’m not Jerry. I’m also in no risk of being furloughed and a downgrade would actually be great. I now have my ATP, I’m almost at 1000 121 PIC and I’d love to stop commuting ATL-FAT.

Sure hope you are right man! The news at ASA kind of points in a different direction.

JetJock16 01-07-2009 03:06 PM


Originally Posted by flyboyzz1 (Post 532901)
Sure hope you are right man! The news at ASA kind of points in a different direction.

Yep, we'll see. A few BW's told us in Left Seat Class that SKW can't maintain its current staffing levels much longer. They are waiting for the FEB FLT schedule releases and if they aren't what SKW is hoping for then we will have to "F."

They were as truthful as they could be. They said that by law they can’t tell us what’s going on behind the scenes but things aren’t looking so go as of right now.

Airsupport 01-07-2009 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by JetJock16 (Post 532938)
Yep, we'll see. A few BW's told us in Left Seat Class that SKW can't maintain its current staffing levels much longer. They are waiting for the FEB FLT schedule releases and if they aren't what SKW is hoping for then we will have to "F."

They were as truthful as they could be. They said that by law they can’t tell us what’s going on behind the scenes but things aren’t looking so go as of right now.


yeah this is what my friend told me a month ago. he said that he has been told by "people" that the furloughes will begin in march. i am pretty sure skywest has their schedules already (we do at pinnacle). thankfully my friends are above the drop off (they think), but its never good when the movement is backwards.

flyboyzz1 01-07-2009 06:09 PM

JJ- How many pilots were they talking about?

JetJock16 01-07-2009 06:32 PM


Originally Posted by flyboyzz1 (Post 533091)
JJ- How many pilots were they talking about?

I wish I knew; they did say that Mgmnt considers us 200-300 pilots overstaffed. If I had to guess I'd say 100-150 furloughs. Either way, unless some miracle happens, it sounds like its coming.

Best of luck to everyone.


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