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tzadik 01-26-2009 03:57 PM


Originally Posted by Purpleanga (Post 545818)
well prove it, I may very well be wrong. Do you have any thing to say?

Before you and the rest of the ladies continue gossiping let me inject some knowledge into this PTA meeting. A lot of MAG pilots liked the standup lines. Why you ask? Some people don’t live in base (we call these pilots commuters). Standup lines usually commence in the late evening and conclude in the early morning, making it very easy for the “commuter” to get to and from his domicile (his place of work) on the same day.

More specifically the Canada trips (that’s the country to our north) depart around 9 in the evening and return around 8 in the morning, crediting (that means how much you get paid) slightly over 7 hours. This means the pilot (the person flying) basically gets the entire two days off.

muushin 01-26-2009 04:05 PM


Originally Posted by muushin (Post 544406)
As we enter another Great Depression, as Charles Darwin had explained, the "Herd will be culled", there is no doubt that we all know that. Clamoring for justice, is like crying out for help in a room full of deaf and blind people, when seeking fairness in the corporate airline environment.

Then there is the issue of karma, what comes around, goes around.

mulhalo.

J.O has been on the fortunate momentum end, time and time again, and he has always been walking away the victor. He rarely was in the right, or Just, position, but that stuff really doesn't seem to matter. It should, we all know that, but it just doesn't. Delta, like J.O. will screw anyone anytime for a quarter, its just this time, Mesa / Freedom, has the bad cards in their hand, and that's it. There is no way they are going to win this dirty deal. Delta, this time, has the opportunity to throw its weight around in the face of fairness, and what is right, or Just, and subsequently, this time, Delta, with all its pomp, and all its glory, will prevail, you can bet on it, and that's that.



I See Delta setting the Precedent, If they do set it, then they could probably do it to other regionals as well. They just might pull it off, making it a landmark decision.

pxm21 01-26-2009 04:08 PM


Originally Posted by tzadik (Post 545830)
Before you and the rest of the ladies continue gossiping let me inject some knowledge into this PTA meeting. A lot of MAG pilots liked the standup lines. Why you ask? Some people don’t live in base (we call these pilots commuters). Standup lines usually commence in the late evening and conclude in the early morning, making it very easy for the “commuter” to get to and from his domicile (his place of work) on the same day.

More specifically the Canada trips (that’s the country to our north) depart around 9 in the evening and return around 8 in the morning, crediting (that means how much you get paid) slightly over 7 hours. This means the pilot (the person flying) basically gets the entire two days off.

well then, that makes sense they have that at most of the regionals Comair calls them Continous Duty Lines (crews call'em CD's) no rest period paid for the whole time on duty start @10 or 11pm land @ 1 or 2 am then take off @5:30am done for at least 10hrs in domicile. hotels are provided for crews during break.

rickair7777 01-26-2009 04:34 PM


Originally Posted by paxhauler85 (Post 545817)
This is false. There are stand-ups out of PHX, but each crewmember gets their own hotel room.

I flew one last week. Over 3 years ago when I was a new hire, we each got our own rooms as well.

I'm going to have to throw the you-know-what flag on this one...I was there over three years ago, doing those LAS standups, and we did NOT get our own hotel rooms, or any hotel room at all.

I have no idea what the deal is nowdays, but I'm not sure I would take your word for it based the above quoted misstatement of fact.

rickair7777 01-26-2009 04:41 PM


Originally Posted by paxhauler85 (Post 545822)
No, that wasn't the point of my post. My point was that there is a lot of false information floating around about Mesa. I try to curb that. Ricks info is dated and often false.

I try to be careful about posting bogus facts. If it's my opinion, I'm pretty clear that it's just that. But if I say something flat out, it is a fact.

Please quote one of my false facts, if you can actually find one I'll retract it.

paxhauler85 01-26-2009 04:57 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 545863)
I'm going to have to throw the you-know-what flag on this one...I was there over three years ago, doing those LAS standups, and we did NOT get our own hotel rooms, or any hotel room at all.

I have no idea what the deal is nowdays, but I'm not sure I would take your word for it based the above quoted misstatement of fact.

I don't know what to tell you rick. I was hired at the end 2005, and I have always had my own hotel room.

Other than 30 minute naps during a turn, I have never slept on one of our airplanes.

rickair7777 01-26-2009 05:07 PM


Originally Posted by paxhauler85 (Post 545882)
I don't know what to tell you rick. I was hired at the end 2005, and I have always had my own hotel room.

Other than 30 minute naps during a turn, I have never slept on one of our airplanes.

Better check your timeline again. They started doing the one-room-for-the-whole-crew thing in mid 2006, not sure what happened after that. There were DEFINITELY no hotel rooms for LAS standups in 2005.

tmcboy20 01-26-2009 05:15 PM


Originally Posted by CAPTAIN INSANO (Post 545779)
Aww is someone regretting taking a shortcut in their career and screwing everyone else over by lowering the pathetic regional bar even lower by working for Mesa?

Where's the crying rolly face?:eek:


Dude all you guys group Mesa pilots as wanting shortcuts. I live in PHX. Why would I commute to work for Air Wisconsin, Horizon, or Pinnacle. I maybe would have went to California for Skywest. Your generalization of Mesa pilots is far off.

RU4692 01-26-2009 06:13 PM


Originally Posted by tmcboy20 (Post 545900)
Dude all you guys group Mesa pilots as wanting shortcuts. I live in PHX. Why would I commute to work for Air Wisconsin, Horizon, or Pinnacle. I maybe would have went to California for Skywest. Your generalization of Mesa pilots is far off.

99% of the pilots I have talked to at Mesa/Freedom have always stated that "they went there for the fast upgrade" not because it was a good company to work for. If you are in fact the 1% who works for MAG because it is convenient to your home base, I wish you the best with your employer.

RU4692 01-26-2009 06:15 PM


Originally Posted by paxhauler85 (Post 545822)
No, that wasn't the point of my post. My point was that there is a lot of false information floating around about Mesa. I try to curb that. Ricks info is dated and often false.

I simply give facts, and correct people when they give false info about the airline I work for. I would hope you would do the same thing regarding your airline.

This thread is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. Purple continues to post false information, and I am attempting to correct him.

I don't consider Mesa a shortcut, nor do I have regrets about my career.

Paxhauler85, your holier-than-thou attitude is so ridiculously pompous it makes me want to slap you. Brother you're polishing the brass on the Titanic; it's all going down, man.


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