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I have nothing against Mesa pilots, but the horrible flaming demise of that ignorant ba$t@rd JO and his cronies would be a big step in the right direction for the whole industry.

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Originally Posted by paxhauler85 (Post 545695)

Rick is more accurate than your sources.

Ok dude. What better sources than people that actually work there today.

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Originally Posted by pxm21 (Post 545728)

I have nothing against Mesa pilots, but the horrible flaming demise of that ignorant ba$t@rd JO and his cronies would be a big step in the right direction for the whole industry.

Exactly. There is no place for the second coming of Lorenzo. He even managed to fool everyone in 08 with the TA.

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Originally Posted by Purpleanga (Post 545733)

Exactly. There is no place for the second coming of Lorenzo. He even managed to fool everyone in 08 with the TA.

yeah even though it was a big improvement they still should've wanted more. then again I wasn't sitting there during those negotiations, so I really can't speak to what was and was not possible

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Originally Posted by paxhauler85 (Post 545680)

Rick-

Am I confused, or are you a mod? I know being one doesn't take away your right to post your feelings, however, you should try to raise yourself above the scum on the boards you "police." I use the term police loosely since you seem to use your position to talk down to people, drive bandwagons, and state your feelings to be interpreted as fact (read: anything regarding Mesa).

You're going to disagree with me, and that's just fine. You might even get to give me a warning, or better yet ban me, and keep your squad of flamebait warriors close by your side.

You're experience at Mesa, some 6-8 years ago, does not even border on accurate any longer. You pollute threads that concern Mesa with your ancient experiences, and these false tales only drive the 18-21 year old pilots in the industry (who couldn't drive when you were at Mesa) to wish ill on myself and my fellow pilots.

Stick to the threads about how Skywest changed your life, unions are worthless, experiencing a mid-life crisis at the regionals, and other such topics that you can further the spread of information via your opinions, rather than creating an army of young men who know no better than to will another airline out of business.

If I'm not moderating, I can participate in the forums under the same rules as everyone else. I won't moderate you just because you disagree with me :rolleyes:

I have friends still at mesa, nothing has changed for the better.

I can objectively compare mesa with several large companies and one other airline. The way they treat people is simply unbelievable for most folks who haven't experienced it...THAT KIND OF CRAP DOES NOT HAPPEN IN THE REAL WORLD!

It doesn't matter what other airline pilots think, but I am happy to attempt to educate entry-level pilots about mag.

I probably lose some objectivity when mag pilots attempt to justify or apologize for mesa...that sort of rationalization is the mindset which allows OJ to do what he does best. Hell, I even did it myself at one point...I convinced myself that all the shortcomings would be fixed at the next contract. Eventually I lost confidence in the majority of mag pilots. I was afraid they wouldn't stand up for themselves in negotiations...Boy am I glad I didn't stick around three years for THAT :eek:

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Originally Posted by paxhauler85 (Post 545680)

Aww is someone regretting taking a shortcut in their career and screwing everyone else over by lowering the pathetic regional bar even lower by working for Mesa?

Where's the crying rolly face?:eek:

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Originally Posted by paxhauler85 (Post 545695)

No camping trips (haven't had them in nearly 3 years), planes are for the most part clean, lineholders get 11 days off, rsv: 10.

Rick is more accurate than your sources.

Save the logic on these people brother. They have little interest in the facts and shallow lives. I am done with this rag.

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Originally Posted by paxhauler85 (Post 545695)

No camping trips (haven't had them in nearly 3 years), planes are for the most part clean, lineholders get 11 days off, rsv: 10.

Rick is more accurate than your sources.

Forgive me for asking I'm not trying to flame here but what is a "camping trip"?

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Originally Posted by logic1 (Post 545785)

Save the logic on these people brother. They have little interest in the facts and shallow lives. I am done with this rag.

It's ok, you will find another job too just like all the folks who Mesa management screwed over that had to find other jobs when their companies could not compete with sleezey bottom of the barrel business tactics.

Starting over from the bottom sucks. It sucks even more when the bottom keeps getting lower because of one bunch of management, and a spineless majority of a pilot group accepting all the kool-aide fed to them.

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Originally Posted by pxm21 (Post 545790)

Forgive me for asking I'm not trying to flame here but what is a "camping trip"?

No hotel rooms. Crews forced to sleep in their planes on short overnights. Yes you heard it correct. There are people that think this is perfectly ok to do to their own workers.