Mesa FAs allowed to jumpseat on own metal??
02-02-2009 | 12:18 PM
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Cmon buddy we are on page 3 now,wake up
NO different wit the pilot types, get it in a contract, pilots have priority over FD JS and FA's over cabin JS's it would work and take it further, only on company metal-it would work just fine.Plus, there really is no difference with some pilot types...when it comes to sticklers-most of them know how boring it can get, when they come up just to keep the seats warm.
Cmon buddy we are on page 3 now,wake up
NO different wit the pilot types, get it in a contract, pilots have priority over FD JS and FA's over cabin JS's it would work and take it further, only on company metal-it would work just fine.Plus, there really is no difference with some pilot types...when it comes to sticklers-most of them know how boring it can get, when they come up just to keep the seats warm.
FA's are not allowed under FAR 121.547 in the cockpit jumpseat for commuting purposes. If an FA is up front is is either in an approved cockpit familiarity program (i.e. JetBlue), or due to the biological needs of the pilots (through your FOM/OM/GOM, and SOP or whatever your company calls it). Mechanics must be "on duty" and have a direct need to monitor the inflight systems.
The benefits, or distractions of having either group allowed in the cockpit are not relevant. Incorporating training into class so that they are educated on sterile cockpit thereby allowing you to help a fellow employee get home is not relevant. Look up FSIMS Vol. 3 Chapter 2 Para 3-41 on the FAA website, and it will help clear things up for you.
The benefits, or distractions of having either group allowed in the cockpit are not relevant. Incorporating training into class so that they are educated on sterile cockpit thereby allowing you to help a fellow employee get home is not relevant. Look up FSIMS Vol. 3 Chapter 2 Para 3-41 on the FAA website, and it will help clear things up for you.
02-02-2009 | 07:00 PM
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Mechanics must be "on duty" and have a direct need to monitor the inflight systems.
02-02-2009 | 08:58 PM
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This contract stipulation refers to the 3-4 ex ACA -200s that Mesa has in the United Express operation that do have a 2nd FA JS. It is located in the rear of the cabin.
02-02-2009 | 09:11 PM
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JB is kinda sketchy, ive seen alot go on there, and it seems as if the PIC says its all good then really-its all good. Just what I have seen.Andcan you explain the FA familiarity thing? I have seen with my own two eyes FA's take the FD jumpseat and mechanics ride in plain clothing while their families take the seats in back!
02-03-2009 | 11:04 AM
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cgt, you seem to think i have something against JB and I don't. Never did. After Champion i actually applied there. And you're right they actually do make every JS available which is why I have seen Mecahnics and flight attendants take the FD JS, which may not be too good as far as the FAA is concerned. BUt goign back to my original post- is something I would be more than willing to do.
02-03-2009 | 11:35 AM
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Well if it's in the FOM than the FAA can have no problem with it, they approved the FOM and that is now law as far as JB or any other carrier is concerned...
02-03-2009 | 12:22 PM
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FA's are not allowed under FAR 121.547 in the cockpit jumpseat for commuting purposes. If an FA is up front is is either in an approved cockpit familiarity program (i.e. JetBlue), or due to the biological needs of the pilots (through your FOM/OM/GOM, and SOP or whatever your company calls it). Mechanics must be "on duty" and have a direct need to monitor the inflight systems.
The benefits, or distractions of having either group allowed in the cockpit are not relevant. Incorporating training into class so that they are educated on sterile cockpit thereby allowing you to help a fellow employee get home is not relevant. Look up FSIMS Vol. 3 Chapter 2 Para 3-41 on the FAA website, and it will help clear things up for you.
The benefits, or distractions of having either group allowed in the cockpit are not relevant. Incorporating training into class so that they are educated on sterile cockpit thereby allowing you to help a fellow employee get home is not relevant. Look up FSIMS Vol. 3 Chapter 2 Para 3-41 on the FAA website, and it will help clear things up for you.
FAR 121 is a template for airlines, but each airline may modify it via their OPSPECS as they see fit (with FAA concurrence).
Any company which could convince their federal overseers to allow it could open up the cockpit JS to FA's. This would not be trivial, but I suspect if a company required required FA jumpseaters to possess a 2nd class medical you might be able to get it approved. Plenty of FA's would spend $100/year to improve their commute.
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