Colgan/Bombardier Law Suit
02-27-2009 | 07:26 PM
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02-27-2009 | 07:30 PM
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If you let an airplane--any airplane--get to slow on an approach, whether you have the autopilot on or not (although having it on would make it easier for this to happen) would not be the cause of a stall/spin accident.
02-27-2009 | 07:36 PM
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I hate to say it but if my family was on that plane, I can't say I wouldn't be wanting to hold someone accountable (pending cause) This airplane does not have a great safety record and these Pilots, as well as Colgan's training will be thoroughly examined.
I don't know what caused this crash but if it is either the Pilot's doing, or the Airplanes the LAWSUITS will fly and they will be successful in court/ or have very large settlements......
I flew a lot of the victims families from BUF-EWR yesterday and it was so sad they were a mess, I can't say I blame them for wanting some answers, and unfortunately filing a lawsuit is one of the ways people get what they feel they need to be properly "made whole".
I don't know what caused this crash but if it is either the Pilot's doing, or the Airplanes the LAWSUITS will fly and they will be successful in court/ or have very large settlements......
I flew a lot of the victims families from BUF-EWR yesterday and it was so sad they were a mess, I can't say I blame them for wanting some answers, and unfortunately filing a lawsuit is one of the ways people get what they feel they need to be properly "made whole".
As to the lawsuits, this is how the system works. When aircraft crash, the survivors must avail themselves of the legal system to obtain compensation for their loss. So people should stop acting surprised when surviving spouses and other dependents, heirs and family members file suit after an airline crash.
02-27-2009 | 07:53 PM
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I think we gotta be kind of mindful of what these families are going through. If you feel strongly that a lawsuit in an accident like this is unreasonable, or that the court system in the U.S. ought to change- I'd really suggest you at least try to put yourself in their place before judging them too harshly. In the U.S. we are lucky, in my opinion, that we have the access to the legal system that we do. Of course it has faults, but the beauty of our system is that it is accessible to all, and hopefully frivolous attempts to "milk" the system are exposed in time. I think most are- and you never hear about them. You only hear about the cases that are sensational because they are a mockery of the legal system. I do not think it's wise to compare any fatal transportation accident to the "hot coffee" scandal. Like I said earlier, I'd guess that in most fatal accidents there's going to be lawsuits- from car accidents to large disasters, that's why corporations are expected to insure themselves. Lost loved ones, lost wages, the possibility of negligence in accidental death, all these things are linked together. In the military, if one is killed, one's beneficiaries receive a financial settlement, that's not wrong is it? I understand that in the end lawsuits cost us all in one way or another, but I have to wonder if there is an alternative that still addresses the needs of accident victims better than what we have. I don't think there is. Anyway, I'm not a lawyer, but I am a fan of our freedoms as U.S. citizens. Just my two cents.
It seems like in our society that you're not a "real man" until you sue somebody. I think that if someone commits a criminal act that causes someone else harm, then by all means go ahead and sue. But if it's an "Act of GOD" or an accident then that's different (it should then just be treated like an insurance case). And yes, I have known people who have "milked the system" in frivolous cases (and they are not famous). Given that the rest of us pay for all of this in the long run, it frustrates me that we can't seem to think of anything really evil to do to these greedy leeches!
02-27-2009 | 08:11 PM
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Droog, I don't know the answer. Your points are valid, to me at least. I agree with you about "Acts of God", but honestly don't know any legal details on that subject. In the case of blatant negligence in accidents of any type, I have to believe that the ability to be financially responsible when the worst happens is what tends to keep corporations on their toes, so to speak.
My feelings on the issue are not personal, I've never sued anyone. I also do not feel qualified to judge a family going through something like this.
I do believe strongly that our legal system is in some ways, like aviation. You only hear about the bad events.
What's the answer? No clue. I tend to believe that our system, while flawed, is pretty good compared to what citizens of some other countries have. I also believe that in the long run, maybe too much freedom is better than too little.
My feelings on the issue are not personal, I've never sued anyone. I also do not feel qualified to judge a family going through something like this.
I do believe strongly that our legal system is in some ways, like aviation. You only hear about the bad events.
What's the answer? No clue. I tend to believe that our system, while flawed, is pretty good compared to what citizens of some other countries have. I also believe that in the long run, maybe too much freedom is better than too little.
02-27-2009 | 09:12 PM
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It seems like in our society that you're not a "real man" until you sue somebody. I think that if someone commits a criminal act that causes someone else harm, then by all means go ahead and sue. But if it's an "Act of GOD" or an accident then that's different (it should then just be treated like an insurance case). And yes, I have known people who have "milked the system" in frivolous cases (and they are not famous). Given that the rest of us pay for all of this in the long run, it frustrates me that we can't seem to think of anything really evil to do to these greedy leeches!
The lawyers file lawsuits on behalf of the victims. That is how the tort system works. The survivors have a right to seek redress for their loss, and the civil litigation system is the mechanism we use.
02-27-2009 | 10:19 PM
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I am assuming that by "...these greedy leeches" you are referring to the attorneys of the personal injury bar, and not the aggrieved survivors of the accident victims. But that misses the point.
The lawyers file lawsuits on behalf of the victims. That is how the tort system works. The survivors have a right to seek redress for their loss, and the civil litigation system is the mechanism we use.
The lawyers file lawsuits on behalf of the victims. That is how the tort system works. The survivors have a right to seek redress for their loss, and the civil litigation system is the mechanism we use.
I was only describing how the system would work in my ideal world. I understand that this is different from reality. As far as the "greedy leeches" are concerned, I was not refering to the Colgan victims' families per se. Rather, I was refering to anyone who files frivolous claims in order to make easy money. I also understand the role of lawyers. I just have a problem with the ones who seem to arrive on the scene of an accident before the emergency personnel and exploit the "pain and suffering" for personal gain. This greed and silliness is taken to the nth degree, and we all pay a price in the end.
02-28-2009 | 12:12 AM
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As for the safety record of the airplane, it's been good to what I know. Making sure that we understand the last gear issues were more a maintenance issue a a particular airline...
The airplane has a lot of power to keep it aloft when icing. This one is not an issue.
As for the lawsuit, it is sad. I understand when people want the know the "truth" about what happened to loved ones. I would hate to think it s just for $$$.
02-28-2009 | 03:23 AM
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The Q-400 has a good safety record. The Colgan crash was the first fatal crash of the type.
As to the lawsuits, this is how the system works. When aircraft crash, the survivors must avail themselves of the legal system to obtain compensation for their loss. So people should stop acting surprised when surviving spouses and other dependents, heirs and family members file suit after an airline crash.
As to the lawsuits, this is how the system works. When aircraft crash, the survivors must avail themselves of the legal system to obtain compensation for their loss. So people should stop acting surprised when surviving spouses and other dependents, heirs and family members file suit after an airline crash.
02-28-2009 | 04:28 AM
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right after the SAS crashes they came out with a news article about the safety of the q400. It was a european paper but they looked up the amount of hull loss accidents vs the total # of q400 flying around at the time. Something like 16 had suffered hull loss accidents out of 160 airframes.
I know the Q is supposedly a solid airplane and i would fly on one without hesitation but from the outside (publics perspective) looking in the airplane looks like a POS and has a spotty at best safety record. Every airplane has enormous lists of problems that are either fixed or deferred... show that list to someone who doesnt know a lot about planes and it looks bad.
I know the Q is supposedly a solid airplane and i would fly on one without hesitation but from the outside (publics perspective) looking in the airplane looks like a POS and has a spotty at best safety record. Every airplane has enormous lists of problems that are either fixed or deferred... show that list to someone who doesnt know a lot about planes and it looks bad.
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