New Minimums For All
03-08-2009 | 08:42 PM
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From: BEECH 1900 PIC
In fact the very generation I was referring to is not leading the country now. The people who lead the country now were children, or were not even born in 1950. Maybe next time when your ready to make a funny, or use sarcasm in some way, you'll think about what exactly your saying, and the context in which your saying it. Regardless, your implication is false.
03-08-2009 | 08:53 PM
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From: BEECH 1900 PIC
I'd like to know the same thing as Boiler, how do they get around it?
"no certificate holder may use a person, nor may any person serve, as pilot in command of an aircraft under IFR unless that person--
(1) Holds at least a commercial pilot certificate with appropriate category and class ratings and, if required, an appropriate type rating for that aircraft; and
(2) Has had at least 1,200 hours of flight time as a pilot, including 500 hours of cross country flight time, 100 hours of night flight time, and 75 hours of actual or simulated instrument time at least 50 hours of which were in actual flight; and"
If I'm not mistaken, IF the OPSPECS require it, you can require an SIC on a single pilot aircraft, can you not?
Also, I believe there is a reg that if you have a something along the lines of a postal contract, there must be an operating autopilot OR and SIC on the aircraft. Can't remember where that's at exactly, it's been a long time since I had to look at it.
"no certificate holder may use a person, nor may any person serve, as pilot in command of an aircraft under IFR unless that person--
(1) Holds at least a commercial pilot certificate with appropriate category and class ratings and, if required, an appropriate type rating for that aircraft; and
(2) Has had at least 1,200 hours of flight time as a pilot, including 500 hours of cross country flight time, 100 hours of night flight time, and 75 hours of actual or simulated instrument time at least 50 hours of which were in actual flight; and"
If I'm not mistaken, IF the OPSPECS require it, you can require an SIC on a single pilot aircraft, can you not?
Also, I believe there is a reg that if you have a something along the lines of a postal contract, there must be an operating autopilot OR and SIC on the aircraft. Can't remember where that's at exactly, it's been a long time since I had to look at it.
I'll be a little more specific about the program. It's an SIC program that is included in the Ops Spec. It requires that the SIC recieve the same training as well as the same checkride and 8410 to be kept on file. The LOA from the FAA home office in Washington, states that SIC can manipulate the controls in all phases of flight, as long as an appropriately authorized PIC is occupying the other seat. This is for live 135 cargo on demand legs. It also says that the SIC can log PIC for any portion of the flight that this occurs. But it also says that the SIC CANNOT log any portion of the flight as SIC regardless of who is manipulating the controls. The reason being I believe is that 1) the plane is not certified for two pilots 2) it's a cargo operation only and does not require an SIC under any circumstances. This would be different than lets say a Cape Air, were a SIC is required under 135 scheduled passenger service.(without AP)
The FAA's view is that the SIC is manipulating the controls, in an aircraft that he is appropriately rated in. Very similar in fact to an instrument student, who is appropriately rated in the aircraft, logging PIC time while flying in actual conditions with his instructor. Of course this is pure speculation as to what the course of reasoning was behind their decision, but make no mistake, what I described above came from them.
03-08-2009 | 09:04 PM
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I'll be a little more specific about the program. It's an SIC program that is included in the Ops Spec. It requires that the SIC recieve the same training as well as the same checkride and 8410 to be kept on file. The LOA from the FAA home office in Washington, states that SIC can manipulate the controls in all phases of flight, as long as an appropriately authorized PIC is occupying the other seat. This is for live 135 cargo on demand legs. It also says that the SIC can log PIC for any portion of the flight that this occurs. But it also says that the SIC CANNOT log any portion of the flight as SIC regardless of who is manipulating the controls. The reason being I believe is that 1) the plane is not certified for two pilots 2) it's a cargo operation only and does not require an SIC under any circumstances. This would be different than lets say a Cape Air, were a SIC is required under 135 scheduled passenger service.(without AP)
The FAA's view is that the SIC is manipulating the controls, in an aircraft that he is appropriately rated in. Very similar in fact to an instrument student, who is appropriately rated in the aircraft, logging PIC time while flying in actual conditions with his instructor. Of course this is pure speculation as to what the course of reasoning was behind their decision, but make no mistake, what I described above came from them.
The FAA's view is that the SIC is manipulating the controls, in an aircraft that he is appropriately rated in. Very similar in fact to an instrument student, who is appropriately rated in the aircraft, logging PIC time while flying in actual conditions with his instructor. Of course this is pure speculation as to what the course of reasoning was behind their decision, but make no mistake, what I described above came from them.
or are you just curious?
?
03-08-2009 | 09:14 PM
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[quote=johnnysnow;573197]
The difference is of course the era.
Sixty years ago, an 18 year old was a man. He was expected to be hard working , responsible, and full of character. My grandfather who was part of that generation, held a full time job, while attending high school, and enlisted in the military after graduation. Today he would be considered an over achiever. Back then he was normal. Today, young people rarely have these 3 traits together, if they have them at all. To all you younger folks out there who don't think this applies to you, than maybe it doesn't. There are exceptions to every rule, and maybe your that exception, or maybe your not. I'm inclined to think as a general rule, the later is true.
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I took offense to "someone of this generation being hardworking, responsible, and full of character to be an overachiever and those three traits together being rare." Taking advice or criticism in this context is becoming a harder pill to swallow. This generation will have to learn or is learning those qualities quickly.
Your example(78) is still in the age range of many relevant figures anyway: mccain, fuld, madoff, many politicians. Saying the current group of leaders of this country wouldn't have been born in 1950 seems a little ridiculous; i can think of many prominent figures older than 59. Maybe you should take your own sage advice.
The difference is of course the era.
Sixty years ago, an 18 year old was a man. He was expected to be hard working , responsible, and full of character. My grandfather who was part of that generation, held a full time job, while attending high school, and enlisted in the military after graduation. Today he would be considered an over achiever. Back then he was normal. Today, young people rarely have these 3 traits together, if they have them at all. To all you younger folks out there who don't think this applies to you, than maybe it doesn't. There are exceptions to every rule, and maybe your that exception, or maybe your not. I'm inclined to think as a general rule, the later is true.
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I took offense to "someone of this generation being hardworking, responsible, and full of character to be an overachiever and those three traits together being rare." Taking advice or criticism in this context is becoming a harder pill to swallow. This generation will have to learn or is learning those qualities quickly.
Your example(78) is still in the age range of many relevant figures anyway: mccain, fuld, madoff, many politicians. Saying the current group of leaders of this country wouldn't have been born in 1950 seems a little ridiculous; i can think of many prominent figures older than 59. Maybe you should take your own sage advice.
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