I think the difference johnny is hammering home is the difference between acting as PIC and logging it. Same deal as an instructor doing instrument/commercial training with a student. Even though the student is logging PIC (manipulator of controls), instructor is PIC (making decisions, FAA comes after him if something goes wrong)

All PIC goes into the same collumn of the logbook

 

The issue I had with it (and others, I suppose) is Part 121 specifically spells out who may and may not log PIC time. If you were a CAE type-rating wonder in the CRJ and were hired at Air Wisconsin, and hit the line 2 months after completing your training, you may not log the time you are Pilot Flying as PIC under the sole manipulator clause.

Guess I just assumed 135, being a certificated air carrier and all, worked the exact same way...and that assumption has since been proven wrong. More info found in this thread here

 

A pilot can log whatever they want however they want. The only crime is if they try to use the experience towards currency or a rating. Employers are different. Some might accept certain situations as PIC while others may not.

A logbook is a personal diary of your flight experience. Put whatever you want in there, but only use flight time that is approved for currency or a rating.

Skyhigh

 

Well technicaly I guess you are correct, but I must say I think anyone should be very careful of what you log. I agree with all those that say you dont want to have to all of a sudden explain yourself when your in an interview.

 

"I agree with all those that say you dont want to have to all of a sudden explain yourself when your in an interview"

You mean questions like:

"Did you buy your job at Gulfstream".....

 

I don't know of a single employer that would consider ANYjet time in the right seat logged by a typed FO as PIC time. If I were interviewing and saw someone come in with that I'd have to show them the door. Like you said it's a diary. What does it say about someone that has sleazy numbers? I don't know if it's legal or not if it was at a 121 operator. Their ops specs state exactly who the PIC is, the person who signed the release, and you're operating under those specs. At the bottom of logbooks it usally says "I state the above is true and correct". Logging PIC time when you weren't PIC isn't true and correct. You can be held accountable for what's in your logbooks. I know of a man that spent 3 months in jail because of what was in it. The FAA was already out to get him because he had made a fool of them in the past once so when they took him to court the second time they used his logbook as evidence against him.

I think most employers would look at that as someone trying to cut corners and wouldn't want that type of person as a pilot.

 

hehehe, "No, I leased it from Gulfstream through ATP..."

 

From ads on one pilot employment site:

Caravan PIC: 2000 TT, 1000 PIC, 500 CC, 100 Night,
75 Instrument (50 Actual), ATP preferred, Instrument and Multiengine Rating

PA31-325: - Multi-engine land and instrument ratings. - 2,000 hours total flying time. - 1,000 hours multi-engine land. - 100 hours in make and model of designated aircraft.

CESSNA 206: - Annual instrument proficiency check. - - 1000 hours total flying time. - 100 hours in make and model of designated aircraft.

PA31-350 openings. Requires 2000 TT, Instrument, and ATP Rating.

Bananza :You must meet IFR minimum
requirements of FAR 135.243

Skymaster: Requires: 1500
TT, 300 ME, 500 CC, 75 Instrument, 100 Night, 100 Last 12 Months, and 25 Cessna Skymaster
Hours.

SA-227 Metroliner Captains: *ATP Certificate with AMEL Rating *2500 hours Total
Time *1000 hours multi-engine airplane PIC *750 hours turbine experience *A current English
Proficiency Endorsement

 

The answer is nope, but I do work there...thanks for playing

 

De727ups,
lets see , this week its GIA, next week its Mesa or G7 or whoever, is there anyone who cant find someone who hates them for who they work for. I wonder why people say pilots are their own worst enemies. Hmmm, im curious, if I worked at G7 id get kicked off a jumpseat, so mabye since I worked for 3M, and you have power here I'm gonna get booted from APC....lets see mabye if we (pilots) are really good, we can completely destroy each other and the industry by continually fighting amongst ourselves. I really cant wait to see what weve become in the next 2 years...insert sarcasm here