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Flyby1206 08-07-2009 05:58 AM


Originally Posted by Randolph (Post 657766)
ANYWAYS.

Any other news at Eagle? That's what this thread is for..

They did just run a vacancy displacement bid, mostly shuffling crews around. DFW ATR exodus, lots of NYC shuffling between JFK-LGA. I think there was a net upgrade of 2-3 CAs though!

Flyby1206 08-07-2009 06:00 AM


Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 657771)
As usual of course, it's Eagle and its pilots fault.

:rolleyes:

Yea, I was just trying to see if anyone from the APA membership had any information of substance, as usual there was nothing there. Lots of b*tching about Eagle, but no solutions for the real problems.

Wheels up 08-07-2009 06:53 AM


Originally Posted by Flyby1206 (Post 657575)
Eagle does pretty much have the worst service of all regional carriers. I am surprised we still provide any feed for AA at all. When AA contracted TSA they provided a MUCH better product, and excellent mtx on the AMR owned a/c as well.

The only thing you can say positive is maybe that under this AMR management, at least there's no mis-match in service quality between commuter and mainline.

And I wouldn't say Eagle is THE worst, but it's a competitor for that honor.

Rudderless on scope? Not by a long shot. The APA membership is absolutely solid on that. If there was ever a strike cause, that's it. The negotiated bottom line position I think will be status quo and let Eagle get sold (if anyone's stupid enough to buy it), or expire under it's own inefficiency. The real problem for AMR is the 100-140 seat void. Sometimes what they aren't talking about is more important than what they are.

Flyby1206 08-07-2009 06:58 AM


Originally Posted by Wheels up (Post 657855)
The only thing you can say positive is maybe that under this AMR management, at least there's no mis-match in service quality between commuter and mainline.

And I wouldn't say Eagle is THE worst, but it's a competitor for that honor.

Who would you say is the best in terms of regional carrier service levels?

eaglefly 08-07-2009 08:56 AM


Originally Posted by Wheels up (Post 657855)
Rudderless on scope? Not by a long shot. The APA membership is absolutely solid on that. If there was ever a strike cause, that's it. The negotiated bottom line position I think will be status quo and let Eagle get sold (if anyone's stupid enough to buy it), or expire under it's own inefficiency. The real problem for AMR is the 100-140 seat void. Sometimes what they aren't talking about is more important than what they are.

The membership may be solid, but the leadership is wandering around the airport looking for a usable runway. Again, their rudderlessness has jeopardized success by creating many who advocate snapping the tail off just so they can scream victory as they spiral down to fatal impact.

The void you refer to isn't an issue. It's still too large to support profitable frequency against the competitions regionals who fly upwards of 70-76 seats. If it were viable, AMR would have kept the F-100's around............they didn't.

eaglefly 08-07-2009 09:02 AM


Originally Posted by Flyby1206 (Post 657858)
Who would you say is the best in terms of regional carrier service levels?

He's the wrong person to ask.

He believes the only good regional is the one out of business and biased people are poor sources for accurate and thoughtful information. Any service issues at Eagle have little to do with pilots. Baggage handling and scheduling are the two primary issues, so from a pilot performance standpoint it really doesn't matter, because it's generally out of our control.

Mason32 08-07-2009 02:49 PM


Originally Posted by Flyby1206 (Post 657575)
When AA contracted TSA they provided a MUCH better product, and excellent mtx on the AMR owned a/c as well.


That IS satire I assume...... :eek:

Mason32 08-07-2009 03:06 PM


Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 657762)
What do your comments have to do with the fact that Eagle can acquire 22 more CRJ-700's if they so desire ?

Where did anybody say Eagle can get more CRJ's? Where is it? They were told they could exercise their option contract to buy more CRJ's.
There IS a difference between the two... if they actually have a valid option contract then the end result is the same and it would make no difference... However, that is not the case. For them to have a valid option contract it is OVER six years old, and would have had to have been "bought in" several times by now to keep it valid, and that would show as line items to retain unexercised options... they have never shown ANYBODY any option, so why are you so inclined to trust anythign AMR says?


Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 657762)
That's what the initial issue was and it stands..........again, the rest of this pointless squabble is academic. Eagle has the ability to acquire those aircraft and that's all there is to it.

no, Eagle has the right to exercise existing CRJ options IF they actually have them... Good luck.


Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 657762)
Obviously you believe it is all a hoax, so I see no point in discussing it further......................sleep well.

No, I think they probably did have them, or were negotiating for them at one time... I just think the options expired long ago... and that this whole thing is just about as accurate as:

Eagle is for sale (nobody would have ever bought it with those restrictions - hence it never really was for sale)

Eagle will not be furloughing (per Peter Bowler December 2008)
followed by...
Eagle is furloughing in May due to being overstaffed (from what I hear you aren't)

Eagle is disadvantaged due to it high seniority workforce and management would like as many as possible to leave.... so:

They open the office of professional development to get senior capt's to leave

The offer an early buyout package

They negotiate a TA with APA, AMR, and ALPA to help Eagle CA's go to AA by providing stipend pay to make up for lost wages while a new hire at AA, but this falls apart when AMR WON'T show the CRJ options..... again !

They offer a second early buyout package to senior Captains

They say they can't afford two bases in the northeast only 180 miles apart so Boston will have to close.... then they open a Kennedy base right next to the still open LaGuardia Base... so, they still run two bases in the northeast... so, perhaps they lied yet again... especially since they told your negotiating team they would close BOS and LGA and run only JFK, or you guys could cave in and give them a codomicile agreement in New York and get to keep a base in Boston. Lies, lies, lies.... and more lies...

It's what AMR does.

which line of BS from your company do you want to listen to this week...

You go on listening to them though; it's done so much for your career so far hasn't it.

Mason32 08-07-2009 03:11 PM


Originally Posted by Flyby1206 (Post 657858)
Who would you say is the best in terms of regional carrier service levels?

Cape Air. .

eaglefly 08-08-2009 04:44 AM


Originally Posted by Mason32 (Post 658198)
Where did anybody say Eagle can get more CRJ's? Where is it? They were told they could exercise their option contract to buy more CRJ's.
There IS a difference between the two... if they actually have a valid option contract then the end result is the same and it would make no difference... However, that is not the case. For them to have a valid option contract it is OVER six years old, and would have had to have been "bought in" several times by now to keep it valid, and that would show as line items to retain unexercised options... they have never shown ANYBODY any option, so why are you so inclined to trust anythign AMR says?



no, Eagle has the right to exercise existing CRJ options IF they actually have them... Good luck.



No, I think they probably did have them, or were negotiating for them at one time... I just think the options expired long ago... and that this whole thing is just about as accurate as:

Eagle is for sale (nobody would have ever bought it with those restrictions - hence it never really was for sale)

Eagle will not be furloughing (per Peter Bowler December 2008)
followed by...
Eagle is furloughing in May due to being overstaffed (from what I hear you aren't)

Eagle is disadvantaged due to it high seniority workforce and management would like as many as possible to leave.... so:

They open the office of professional development to get senior capt's to leave

The offer an early buyout package

They negotiate a TA with APA, AMR, and ALPA to help Eagle CA's go to AA by providing stipend pay to make up for lost wages while a new hire at AA, but this falls apart when AMR WON'T show the CRJ options..... again !

They offer a second early buyout package to senior Captains

They say they can't afford two bases in the northeast only 180 miles apart so Boston will have to close.... then they open a Kennedy base right next to the still open LaGuardia Base... so, they still run two bases in the northeast... so, perhaps they lied yet again... especially since they told your negotiating team they would close BOS and LGA and run only JFK, or you guys could cave in and give them a codomicile agreement in New York and get to keep a base in Boston. Lies, lies, lies.... and more lies...

It's what AMR does.

which line of BS from your company do you want to listen to this week...

You go on listening to them though; it's done so much for your career so far hasn't it.


LOL !!!!!

Gee...........you seem to have it all figured out.

Congratulations.

BTW, my career is just fine, thank you.

You seem to have a real hard-on for Eagle, so my only remaining question is what has lead to all this anger and rage. Clearly, you're off the map in the "anti-Eagle" department, so there must be some reason.

Were you fired for cause or did you fail training ?

There HAS to be a reason for all this surgically applied verbal vitriol.


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