AMR gets what AMR wants. If they wanted 22 CRJs on the property tomorrow it could be done. How many hundreds of millions did AMR get for leasing back the P.O.S ATRs to some Norweigan investors? AMR just raised $276 million through a private debt sale as well.

As bailee said, AMR is waiting to see what happens with scope. If APA allows 76 seaters at Eagle then I bet we see those 22 CRJ options tossed in the trash and money spent on an E170 fleet. If APA doesn't budge on scope, then AMR can always go and get 22 more CRJ700s for Eagle without any arguments.

It doesn't matter how/why/what the details of the 22 CRJ options are. AMR gets what AMR wants, even if the details are shAAdy.

Unless you are wearing a three piece suit to work each day, I'd say you are equally an AMR / Eagle management outsider. I would also be willing to bet money that my internal sources at AMR were significantly higher up the pole than your's, or any of your friends were. That being the case, I no longer have access to them, but that doesn't change the fact of having been a close study of AMR for well over a decade.... can you say that. Also, I tend to read the actual arbitration decisions before making general statements, you might want to try it sometime.

All you have proven is that when you don't like the message, you attack the messenger.

No, I agree 100% that the result of the arbitration is that AMR is free to exercise their option contract to aquire more CRJ aircraft. This was the dispute between AMR and the APA. It was resolved by the arbitrator that AMR can do it. My point was that AMR and the APA are in contract talks, and the biggest thing on the APA radar screen is scope protection. If AMR did not have the ability to exercise those options it would take away a huge advantage that AMR currently has... This decision was about keeping the APA in fear of Eagle gettign larger planes.... it was NOT about if AMR even has the option contracts anymore, it was about IF they could exercise them IF they had them.

of course it makes a difference if AMR has the options or not... do you think the APA would be more or less willing to talk scope relief if they KNEW the options for larger planes did not exist anymore?

Just because I bash the regionals does not mean the information is not accurate... slanted towards a specific viewpoint perhaps; but certainly within the "scope" of reality.


No, the bottom line is that Eagle is free to exercise their option contracts for more CRJ's.... IF, and it is a big IF, they actually do still have valid option contracts. In all likelyhood those contracts expired long long ago.
If the contracts were valid, why would they have not shown them when they were working with the APA, and ALPA, on several TA's back in 2007?
They had nothing to lose by showing them, but didn't. Face it, the thought of additional CRJ's is a tool AMR has used for over 6 years now to keep Eagle pilots hopeful, and the APA fearful... to them, that's priceless.

Jeesh..........like I said, WAY too much emotion here and very little fact. I've got well over TWO decades inside AMR and who and what I know, I'm confident you do not. You give too much credit and WAY too much weight to Eagle interest in "keeping pilots hopeful" and that they're really worried about unhopeful pilots here. That's a suckers play and you've taken the line. You're biting hooks that don't exist.

You'd be VERY surprised at how little complexity there is and just how simple things may be. But the more complex the simple is made, the more the dogs chase their tail, get dizzy and lose their focus. You're one heck of a dizzy dog and my advice is to stop and rest awhile and get your bearings.

The "E-JET" may not be the frontrunner. AMR (and thus Eagle) is a "bottom line" company. Although the E-JETS are more comfortable, AMR has disregarded passenger comfort and appeal for the almighty buck before and they'll do it again at the drop of a hat. One example was the "more room throughout coach" idea, which was a hit with passengers but unpopular with the accountants, so AA went back to the "less room throughout coach" plan of the past and shafted the customer.

The CRJ-900 has fleet commonality with the current CRJ-700 and crew and MTX cost synergies are compelling. Operationally, it can carry those 76-pax cheaper then the heavier and more thirsty E-175. Financing is a wild card, but for a decent order Bombardier may be willing to be more competitive then in the past, even going so far as trade-in credit for smaller EMJ's, so don't discount the CRJ-900 as it may be the secret frontrunner. The reason that AMR's proposal had a weight limit that was exactly at that of the E-175 was to inusure competition in bidding. If they had not at least included that weight and aircraft, it would have left only one possible aircraft (CRJ-900) and given excessive leverage to Bombardier to bend AMR over on any deal.

It is also a POSSIBILITY that the APA may be eventually more willing to accept a CRJ aircraft then an E-JET, as the CRJ is more easily considered "still" an RJ, wheras the E-JET class of aircraft offers a different perception. AMR hasn't yet boxed itself in any one corner and still needs time to both align their ducks and get a better handle of the competitive landscape (and survivors) to see what the best move will be.

Both AMR and Eagle can wait until next summer before any moves are made and this is the most likely scenario.

Ok, review the arbitrators decision and present your "facts" instead of simply attacking the messenger all the time. Stop accusing, and start producing.

I wouldn't consider your ramblings to be any worthhile "production", so your demands that I live up to some imagined standard you've presented is illogical.

I can only say you place WAY to much weight on the arbitrators ruling as if that is the only (or defining) variable in this equation. You're free to believe anything you want about Eagle and its future, I'm just here to balance that to insure some our pilots don't take your comments as hard fact.

After all, you freely admit you're here to "bash" and that you do well, my friend.

Ok, so you can't argue facts... all you can do is BASH the messenger.

BTW, I'm an equal opportunity basher, and I'm sure if you poke around you'll see that to be a true statement.... and that I tend to bash, when the bashing is deserved... even if "you" don't agree.

My latest bashing has been Virgin America for being allowed to operate a foreign owned corporation doing point to point within the US (cabotage).

So, continue attacking the messenger instead of the message....
it's validation at it's best. If you could argue the facts, you would.
The FACT that you can't, and instead try to divert the topic towards ME instead of towards the facts speaks for itself.

Can we get back on topic now ?

Snifle, snifle.........Boo, Hoo.

Ok, don't cry...................I'll throw you a bone (and on topic).

As to your "message", the only "fact" that is relevant is the fact that Eagle can order 22 more CRJ's if they so choose........RIGHT NOW.

End of story.

Your dissection of the arbitrators ruling regarding the APA's failed attempt to stop it is pointless.

By your own admission, you like to bash. As I said before if that's your ONLY purpose here, then expect not to be taken to seriously. Eagle isn't sinking just because you say it is, hate it or get thrills bashing it and you CERTAINLY can't expect respect or credit from its pilots if that's your playground.

Got news. The APA isn't going to accept ANY more >50 seat jets of ANY kind as commuter exceptions. Period. If there's ANY issue that the membership is solid on, it's scope. Even the most diehard of company concessionists agree on that. And at the rate the company is stalling, it's going to be another couple of years before anything meaningful might happen on section 6. And there might just be a pretty creative solution that won't involve AE ALPA.

American, Continental, and Southwest are pilots are holding the line.
Delta ALPA sold-out to Anderson, but now finally realize that they were incredibly stupid to do so.
UAL ALPA just doesn't matter much anymore and likely will not matter at all by the end of the year.
USAPA matters even less.

--one of 10,000 Drunken scurvy dogs

You call that news ?

You have no say on the 22 CRJ options as the arbitrator (right or wrong) handed the APA their hats (again) on this issue and those you'll not prevent. Since AA cannot survive in current size and form regardless of some AA pilots fantasies without a viable and competitive feed system (like the majority of their competition), then a byproduct of the slurred demands of drunken scurvy dogs will be a MUCH smaller AA. As Eagle shrinks and offers less to the customer in schedule flexibility, then AA cannot fill their aircraft as those former customers head for the competition that will meet their needs.

Sorry, but that's the painful reality of modern business.

Hopefully, you'll not be one of the scurvy dogs that walks the plank should your wish come true. If you keep your employment, my guess is terminal "F/Oitis" will lead to medical disability within 6-7 years due to the need for non-FAA approved medication (tranquilizers).

Arrggg matey !!!!!

Best of luck in dodging Davy Jones's locker.

:)