sooooooooo what your saying is that i'm making (FO) 'on a per seat basis' the same as a legacy capt.

damn that just warms the soul but i still feel under paid

Its really hard to find a fair way to calculate pay across the board. If you flew a 757 that was configured for 50 seats would it still be great pay at 100/hr? In the early days pay was based on speed of the aircraft, then as jets came along it was weight. Now that we are in the financial era of aviation maybe we should get paid based upon total revenue the flight brings in? Or maybe a percentage of the cost to operate the flight (besides wages) as discussed above?

The longevity payscale is hurting everyone. If pilots could go from airline to airline without worrying about starting at base pay it would force the airlines to create a better environment to retain pilots.

NOT true.

That figure is the DIRECT operating cost and does not include many items that alter the actual cost of a pirticular flight.

Dig a little deeper.... Direct operating costs included all of that stuff.

It did not include the management, advertising, training dept or anything else... but it did include anybody who touched the plane, the passengers, or their tickets.... since they were DIRECTLY involved with the operation; proratred of course.

Unless they changed how they calculate and list it.......

That's my point exactly, so here's my shovel.

There are other costs involved even beyond those you admit aren't part of the equation to make this figure relatively useless like financing issues, so for all practical purposes refrencing this is pointless.

financing is part of the direct costs of operating the flight.

all of the administration, administrative costs, training, advertising and stuff like that is not part of the figure. If it directly relates to the aircraft, it IS part of that number. At least it used to be. Ask a friendly station manager next time you have the chance.... that number covers a ton of things... just as it also DOESN'T cover a ton of other things... but if you have that number, and have your fee for departure rate, you know more than most.

Hey, I hear Eagle is ditching their kitbags within the year... going to go to an aircraft library concept with an outside contractor responsible to update all onboard manuals.... cool idea, hope it works and catches on... I hate lugging mine around.

You're info is incorrect, but believe what you want. BTW, I've been led astray by more then one station manager before.

At any rate you asserted that ALL (see original post) costs are involved with this figure on the release and that simply isn't true. That was what I said in my original post to your statement and it still stands.

Perhaps "All costs associated with the flight" wasn't clear enough...
but, I thought I clarified it well after that....

Where did you hear this? I hope you're right but I haven't heard anything about this. What would happen to trip books? I would see people using charts less.