Do you tip hotel van drivers?
04-09-2009 | 07:21 AM
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What is interesting to me is how indiscriminatly we are expected to tip these days. I see "tip buckets" popping up in odd places.. the dunkin doughnuts counter, the dry cleaner, I even saw a gas money jar for staff in a local bookstore.
What amazes me is there are situations where you are forced to tip despite the service, and others where service was excellent and there is not an opportunity, or there is a company policy against it (like the grocery store where i bagged as a boy)
I do not try to base my tip based on what i think the person is making. I have tipped well to a bartender who makes $700 a night, but dammit the guy was awesome and the service phenominal. I was alone with a van driver one day going to JFK, young guy fresh off the boat, loving life for his opportunity to be here, his attitude was infectious and his professionalism showed. He got $5 from me.
I will not, however, subsidize lackluster service by feeling obligated to tip a percentage regardless of the result. Rudeness, apathy, incompetence and unprofessionalism will not be rewarded, no matter how small the expected tip.
What amazes me is there are situations where you are forced to tip despite the service, and others where service was excellent and there is not an opportunity, or there is a company policy against it (like the grocery store where i bagged as a boy)
I do not try to base my tip based on what i think the person is making. I have tipped well to a bartender who makes $700 a night, but dammit the guy was awesome and the service phenominal. I was alone with a van driver one day going to JFK, young guy fresh off the boat, loving life for his opportunity to be here, his attitude was infectious and his professionalism showed. He got $5 from me.
I will not, however, subsidize lackluster service by feeling obligated to tip a percentage regardless of the result. Rudeness, apathy, incompetence and unprofessionalism will not be rewarded, no matter how small the expected tip.
USMCFLYR
04-09-2009 | 07:34 AM
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Imagine if someone did happen to tip you as they walked off the plane, would it be ok for the company to deduct some amount from your check because of that tip? If it kept happening would it be ok for the next CBA to lower your salary because its just easier to take it out of your base salary initially than to deduct it from every flight. I dont think so. So why can a the hotel (and restaurants for that matter) do it? Its a premeditated paycheck dedution because they were tipped.
Again, its not my job to pay their wages, thats why I pay the hotel (and the resturant)
04-09-2009 | 07:43 AM
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Why am I the one that has to pony up their money? They work for the hotel, the hotel should pay them! That why we pay the hotel. The logic that the company/owner can get away with paying them less because of tips is wrong, its wrong for the company to assume that and try and justify their crap pay, its wrong for the employee to accept crap pay on that assumption and its wrong for us to supplement the hotels practice of it with tips just becasue they get paid bad.
Imagine if someone did happen to tip you as they walked off the plane, would it be ok for the company to deduct some amount from your check because of that tip? If it kept happening would it be ok for the next CBA to lower your salary because its just easier to take it out of your base salary initially than to deduct it from every flight. I dont think so. So why can a the hotel (and restaurants for that matter) do it? Its a premeditated paycheck dedution because they were tipped.
Again, its not my job to pay their wages, thats why I pay the hotel (and the resturant)
Imagine if someone did happen to tip you as they walked off the plane, would it be ok for the company to deduct some amount from your check because of that tip? If it kept happening would it be ok for the next CBA to lower your salary because its just easier to take it out of your base salary initially than to deduct it from every flight. I dont think so. So why can a the hotel (and restaurants for that matter) do it? Its a premeditated paycheck dedution because they were tipped.
Again, its not my job to pay their wages, thats why I pay the hotel (and the resturant)
If you feel that way then you don't believe in the system of tipping period in any case. That I can't help you with. In the years that I have been aware of such things - there has been this system that some jobs worked on the expectation of tips. How it started I don't know. Why do drivers work for less than minimum wage and get tips - I don't know. Why do waitresses/waiters do the same - I don't know. It doesnt really matter. You either tip or you don't. You either believe in it or you don't.
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04-09-2009 | 07:56 AM
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Why am I the one that has to pony up their money? They work for the hotel, the hotel should pay them! That why we pay the hotel. The logic that the company/owner can get away with paying them less because of tips is wrong, its wrong for the company to assume that and try and justify their crap pay, its wrong for the employee to accept crap pay on that assumption and its wrong for us to supplement the hotels practice of it with tips just becasue they get paid bad.
Imagine if someone did happen to tip you as they walked off the plane, would it be ok for the company to deduct some amount from your check because of that tip? If it kept happening would it be ok for the next CBA to lower your salary because its just easier to take it out of your base salary initially than to deduct it from every flight. I dont think so. So why can a the hotel (and restaurants for that matter) do it? Its a premeditated paycheck dedution because they were tipped.
Again, its not my job to pay their wages, thats why I pay the hotel (and the resturant)
Imagine if someone did happen to tip you as they walked off the plane, would it be ok for the company to deduct some amount from your check because of that tip? If it kept happening would it be ok for the next CBA to lower your salary because its just easier to take it out of your base salary initially than to deduct it from every flight. I dont think so. So why can a the hotel (and restaurants for that matter) do it? Its a premeditated paycheck dedution because they were tipped.
Again, its not my job to pay their wages, thats why I pay the hotel (and the resturant)
04-09-2009 | 08:03 AM
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gratuity
One entry found.
gratuity - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary
Main Entry:gra·tu·ity
Pronunciation: \grə-ˈtü-ə-tē, -ˈtyü-\
Function:noun
Inflected Form(s):plural gra·tu·itiesDate:1540
something given voluntarily or beyond obligation usually for some service ; especially : tip
I tip when service meets this definition. i.e service is expected, thats their job, when they voluntarily go beyond their obligation in their service I will go beyond my obligation of payment and tip them.
When someone expects a tip from me for simply doing their job they will be sorely disappointed, maybe if enough people actually tipped based off of service rather than guilt or expectation we would actually get descent service in this country.
Yes, I have had people get upset at me because I didnt tip them or tip them well enough (in their opinion) and I have flat out told them they didnt earn it. Sorry, you dont get something for nothing in life and you sure arn't getting the money I earned for doing the bare minimum of your job requirement (picking me up at the airport and driving me to the hotel you work for).
One entry found.
gratuity - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary
Main Entry:gra·tu·ity
Pronunciation: \grə-ˈtü-ə-tē, -ˈtyü-\
Function:noun
Inflected Form(s):plural gra·tu·itiesDate:1540
something given voluntarily or beyond obligation usually for some service ; especially : tip
I tip when service meets this definition. i.e service is expected, thats their job, when they voluntarily go beyond their obligation in their service I will go beyond my obligation of payment and tip them.
When someone expects a tip from me for simply doing their job they will be sorely disappointed, maybe if enough people actually tipped based off of service rather than guilt or expectation we would actually get descent service in this country.
Yes, I have had people get upset at me because I didnt tip them or tip them well enough (in their opinion) and I have flat out told them they didnt earn it. Sorry, you dont get something for nothing in life and you sure arn't getting the money I earned for doing the bare minimum of your job requirement (picking me up at the airport and driving me to the hotel you work for).
04-09-2009 | 10:24 AM
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I will never do something just because society deems it so. If someone deserves a tip, you will know this. While this person is working you will think about the job this person is doing, how and if they are going above what you expect.
I have no problem giving a buck or two when a driver makes the extra effort. But I will never pony up my cash just because it is expected for me to do so.
I have no problem giving a buck or two when a driver makes the extra effort. But I will never pony up my cash just because it is expected for me to do so.
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