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Old 04-17-2009 | 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Eric Stratton
If I thought these people were actually bringing the pay down I would say something but they aren't. It doesn't bother me if someone brings a back pack to work. The last guy I flew with had one. He was an FFDO. I know guys who bring laptop bags and guitars too. I've yet to see anyone walking through a terminal with an Ipod on. I'm sure they are out there but it is such a small percentage that it really isn't worth my time.

All about the pay...everyone here seems so concerned with the pay...It is important...but if you're not happy, find a new pimp! No character in someone who only wants to be a money *****....
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Old 04-17-2009 | 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
The FAA put a stop to is since they felt that during an emergency the four bars would command respect from the passengers.
Passengers don't even have a clue what the stripes mean.

Do you really think they would be able to have moment of clarity while in the panic of dealing with an emergency and trying to get off a plane?
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Old 04-17-2009 | 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by dojetdriver
Passengers don't even have a clue what the stripes mean.

Do you really think they would be able to have moment of clarity while in the panic of dealing with an emergency and trying to get off a plane?
Captain Sully and his trusty FO Rusty carefully donned their hats and jackets. Taking time to insure that every button was fixed and that their hats were straight before opening the flight deck door to begin an orderly evacuation of their ditched Airbus.

The sight of our proud captain wearing his best, standing with immaculate rigid posture and in perfect emotional control commanded the attention of everyone on board. Though the passengers might not understand the symbols of rank that adorned his perfect gold (or silver) encrusted uniform everyone instantly was able to recognize who was in charge and who they could invest their faith into during their trying situation.

Under the Captains benevolent oversight the passengers were able to withhold thoughts of panic, listened to direction and accomplished a near perfect evacuation and rescue. Order was maintained due to the fact that everyone could recognize that there was a strong leader in place due to the silly costume that he was wearing.

Imagine what the outcome would have been if Sully were to be trying to scream above the pandemonium while wearing a polo and dockers. He could be just another business traveler. How would a passenger know who the boss is?

Dress for success.


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Old 04-17-2009 | 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
Captain Sully and his trusty FO Rusty carefully donned their hats and jackets. Taking time to insure that every button was fixed and that their hats were straight before opening the flight deck door to begin an orderly evacuation of their ditched Airbus.

The sight of our proud captain wearing his best, standing with immaculate rigid posture and in perfect emotional control commanded the attention of everyone on board. Though the passengers might not understand the symbols of rank that adorned his perfect gold (or silver) encrusted uniform everyone instantly was able to recognize who was in charge and who they could invest their faith into during their trying situation.

Under the Captains benevolent oversight the passengers were able to withhold thoughts of panic, listened to direction and accomplished a near perfect evacuation and rescue. Order was maintained due to the fact that everyone could recognize that there was a strong leader in place due to the silly costume that he was wearing.

Imagine what the outcome would have been if Sully were to be trying to scream above the pandemonium while wearing a polo and dockers. He could be just another business traveler. How would a passenger know who the boss is?

Dress for success.


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I NEVER said that pilots should wear a polo and dockers, did I? Please find where I DID.

Do you think that if they didn't put their hats and jackets on that people would have completely disregarded them? Do you think that in that moment people looked at NOTHING but his hat and blazer adorned with 4 stripes and said "Forget what the flight attendants are saying, we MUST follow him"? Do you think that if there was a USMC drill instructor in his uniform telling people what to do that he would have been less effective?

Point I'm getting at is what I mentioned in my previous post, people have NO clue what 4 stripes mean. If you've ever been a CA, and commuted/DH'd in uniform, you'd know what I was getting at.

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Old 04-17-2009 | 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
Captain Sully and his trusty FO Rusty carefully donned their hats and jackets. Taking time to insure that every button was fixed and that their hats were straight before opening the flight deck door to begin an orderly evacuation of their ditched Airbus.

The sight of our proud captain wearing his best, standing with immaculate rigid posture and in perfect emotional control commanded the attention of everyone on board. Though the passengers might not understand the symbols of rank that adorned his perfect gold (or silver) encrusted uniform everyone instantly was able to recognize who was in charge and who they could invest their faith into during their trying situation.

Under the Captains benevolent oversight the passengers were able to withhold thoughts of panic, listened to direction and accomplished a near perfect evacuation and rescue. Order was maintained due to the fact that everyone could recognize that there was a strong leader in place due to the silly costume that he was wearing.

Imagine what the outcome would have been if Sully were to be trying to scream above the pandemonium while wearing a polo and dockers. He could be just another business traveler. How would a passenger know who the boss is?

Dress for success.


Skyhigh
Thanks for the laugh!

By taking yourself too seriously you become less of a professional too. Do you really feel that the public sees you as 10 feet tall or as another bus driver? The party is over and the reason is exactly due to pay. Read more of the illustrious "Sully" and his comments for clarification.
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Old 04-17-2009 | 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
Captain Sully and his trusty FO Rusty carefully donned their hats and jackets. Taking time to insure that every button was fixed and that their hats were straight before opening the flight deck door to begin an orderly evacuation of their ditched Airbus.

The sight of our proud captain wearing his best, standing with immaculate rigid posture and in perfect emotional control commanded the attention of everyone on board.

Under the Captains benevolent oversight the passengers were able to withhold thoughts of panic, listened to direction and accomplished a near perfect evacuation and rescue. Order was maintained due to the fact that everyone could recognize that there was a strong leader in place due to the silly costume that he was wearing.


Skyhigh
Wow, you really have a flair for the dramatic with your love for exaggeration, on the verge of hyperbole. Sounds like you may have a little mancrush on ol Sully
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Old 04-17-2009 | 06:34 PM
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Man some of you guys take yourself too seriously. I was just trying to inject a little humor.

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Old 04-18-2009 | 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
Man some of you guys take yourself too seriously. I was just trying to inject a little humor.

Skyhigh
I found it funny and lot's of people are just wound up too tight lately.
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Old 04-19-2009 | 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by jeforte
i have microsoft flight sim X.

I haven't put down anybody. I just said what I think pertaining to corp aviation selection. FL450 had an opinion too about a hiring order his CP would use. If you didn't notice, 121 was on the bottom of that list too. If you want to take that as an insult, I suppose that's your right. Frankly I don't ever care what you have to say anyhow.
I think most corperate Chiefs pick new hires like this: people they know, people who know somone they know, people who know someone else who works there, then other qualified pilots (121, 135, 91 military)
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Old 04-19-2009 | 04:57 PM
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I think you can describe a professional as a person who defends thier profession from constant degradation. Bus drivers used to wear thier hats and have nicely pressed uniforms with ties...not any more. Thay also used to be able to survive as a single source of income for a whole family. They also used to have more respectable work rules and gain more respect from the people they were driving around. But the reason they are less professional is not because they started dressing worse, its because they didn't protect thier profession (or maybe it would have been impossible). You also have to remember that they types of people who ride the bus have also changed dramatically during that period of time. The parallels are pretty scary if you ask me.

You think the way you dress and act (what some are calling professionalism) is related to saftey? Think again. Safety comes from the instinct of self-preservation as well as a fear of FAA action. The company doesn't have to do much to promote safety, in fact, most of the time they are pushing pilots to a more unsafe outcome.

You guys who are lushing over a pressed uniform, unrelenting hard-working attitude at all costs are making my pilot group (9E) sound like the most professional group in the industry. Sure, any other group in contract negotiations (for five years) would absolutuly not have the second best on time performance, again, last quarter. Be we are also the pilots that most of you probably look down your nose at, the gulfstreamers, Jet-u, and 300 hour wonders (all are generalizations of course).

I would be much more happy at an airline with a professional culture from the top down, and a pilot group that would rather make a stand to management instead of rewarding them for dragging their feet. Our current 5 year agreement was signed in May 1999, we sure are some professionals.
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