Can somebody tell me why?
04-26-2009 | 05:39 AM
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Are you serious. Are you immortalizing guys that don't start the APU. They are saving gas not curing cancer. Don't fool yourself, under no circumstances should you allow the cabin to be uncomfortable for the paying passengers if you can help it. How is it honorable to allow old ladies to sweat it out in the back. For what, so your executives can get a few extra million each quarter or save some tree in the amazon. I always will start the apu if there is not a working aircart.
As far as fuel burn is concerned, saving 50 pounds on one leg is not going to save the world, however if that 50 pounds is multiplied over half of all the legs on all the aircraft in the world then it starts to make a pretty big dent in money and resources. Is the one guy saving fuel going to save us on on his own; no, but you have to plant a seed to start a garden! The other thing with fuel that most don't think about, is the cost in energy that goes into obtaining, transporting and refining the oil.
04-26-2009 | 05:46 AM
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Oh, boy, are you one of those F.O.'s that questions every little decision the Captain makes? Man, I hated flying with those guys. Ummm... he/she is the Captain and yes... if it's not a "safety of flight" issue it is his/her "show." Pick your battles as an F.O. If the Captain wants to fire up the APU, let him fire the APU. It's his ship.
Originally Posted by Freezingflyboy
Honestly though, I think you're getting wrapped around the axle for no reason. If its hot, start the APU. If the captain questions you, explain your reason (show him the ball sweat on your seat if you have to). If he is particularly difficult about it, see if you can get the FA on your side. If he is still being a pill, then I guess you'll have to decide if being a few degrees cooler is worth the aggravation of butting heads with this guy for the next 4 days. Pick your battles man. If it's that important to you or it affects safety, speak up! Otherwise suffer in silence.
04-26-2009 | 06:16 AM
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04-26-2009 | 06:24 AM
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04-26-2009 | 06:30 AM
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Errmm...not so fast there chief. I'd like to reference my second post. The kind of FOs I hate are the ones who sit there with their thumb up their butt totally disengaged from the process and who, when asked for input supply a heartfelt "hey man, what ever you want to do". Real frigging useful.
I still think the guys who drop the flaps to 9 as soon as they hit 10K or leave the APU running the whole flight, taxi everywhere on 2 engines and waste time and gas other ways, just so they can feel like they are making some kind of statement, are shortsighted, self-centered tools. But fine, if that's how you want to fly your legs, go nuts. Its not how I'll be flying mine.
I still think the guys who drop the flaps to 9 as soon as they hit 10K or leave the APU running the whole flight, taxi everywhere on 2 engines and waste time and gas other ways, just so they can feel like they are making some kind of statement, are shortsighted, self-centered tools. But fine, if that's how you want to fly your legs, go nuts. Its not how I'll be flying mine.
04-26-2009 | 06:37 AM
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This is some funny stuff!!! All this "fuel saving" junk that Comair comes up with is insane. You've gotta be kidding me!!!! Has Comair ever heard of the back side of the power curve? If this whole "flying slow" thing were such a great fuel saving idea, don't you think airplane manufacturers or other airlines would be pushing this way of flying? This is also the same airline that has probably around 20 jets just sitting on the ramp on any given day in CVG. I wonder how much money the company hemmorages on leases for all those aircraft? This also comes from the same airline that will call in a reserve crew in the middle of the night to fly an empty RJ to an outstation to drop off a replacement flight attendant.
Also, just to keep you in the loop, all the other DCI regionals are doing the other fuel savings techniques. Well... except for the flying slow thing. I flew at Skywest for over seven years and not once did we fly an empty jet with a flight attendant on board to cover a sick call.
I do agree with you.... this whole thread is ridiculous. If the cabin is uncomfortable, cool it down! Try to find ground air and if you can't, fiire the APU. We have to keep the pax comfortable, though. That's what they pay us for. I'm all for saving gas, but keeping customers happy is the best job security.
Also, just to keep you in the loop, all the other DCI regionals are doing the other fuel savings techniques. Well... except for the flying slow thing. I flew at Skywest for over seven years and not once did we fly an empty jet with a flight attendant on board to cover a sick call.
I do agree with you.... this whole thread is ridiculous. If the cabin is uncomfortable, cool it down! Try to find ground air and if you can't, fiire the APU. We have to keep the pax comfortable, though. That's what they pay us for. I'm all for saving gas, but keeping customers happy is the best job security.
I've never flown the plane empty to transport a FA, but OH scheduling is so messed up, I would not doubt it. Just the other day, they limo'ed a ready reserve crew from JFK to LGA to work a LGA-RDU flight. When the crew got to LGA they were told that the flight was canceled, so they had to get another ride back to JFK. Those rides don't come cheap in NYC, but hey, at least they got to ride past the new Mets stadium :-)
As for PPASS, if Bombardier recommended flying a CRJ that slow, they would have put props on it.
04-26-2009 | 10:00 AM
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Re: Can somebody tell me why?
Every minute that machine runs, it's one minute closer to failing.
At my company, that means the plane will probably operate without an APU for several days.
To me, it's a risk management issue.
At my company, that means the plane will probably operate without an APU for several days.
To me, it's a risk management issue.
