Can somebody tell me why?
04-25-2009 | 10:05 AM
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Not to pick on the chubbies but I have noticed that it's often the big fat sweat hog Captains who want to run the AC all the time for "passenger comfort." Maybe you could find a big fatty Captain and do some buddy bidding.
04-25-2009 | 10:06 AM
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Are you serious. Are you immortalizing guys that don't start the APU. They are saving gas not curing cancer. Don't fool yourself, under no circumstances should you allow the cabin to be uncomfortable for the paying passengers if you can help it. How is it honorable to allow old ladies to sweat it out in the back. For what, so your executives can get a few extra million each quarter or save some tree in the amazon. I always will start the apu if there is not a working aircart.
04-25-2009 | 10:08 AM
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It blows my mind when Captains are stingy on starting the APU (to save fuel), yet start our second engine way too early, taxi at a snails pace, fly way too fast, take lower altitudes because of a bump or two, start descents too early, etc...
Sure the APU burns gas, but there are other way more effective ways to save fuel that do not make the px sweat their balls & whoo-has off.
Sure the APU burns gas, but there are other way more effective ways to save fuel that do not make the px sweat their balls & whoo-has off.
04-25-2009 | 10:09 AM
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hahaha I can assure you I am not a fat captain but when the average summer temp in my base is over 100 degrees with >90% humidity its a no brainer. Figure out some other way to cut cost or save trees.
04-25-2009 | 10:12 AM
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Are you serious. Are you immortalizing guys that don't start the APU. They are saving gas not curing cancer. Don't fool yourself, under no circumstances should you allow the cabin to be uncomfortable for the paying passengers if you can help it. How is it honorable to allow old ladies to sweat it out in the back. For what, so your executives can get a few extra million each quarter or save some tree in the amazon. I always will start the apu if there is not a working aircart.
Also, My experience is that it's not the little old lady who will be uncomfortable. You can't get it hot enough for them. When my grandmother was in her late 90's she used to sit with a blanket when the temp was in the 90's.
04-25-2009 | 10:15 AM
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I think ShadyOps was talking about in the slightly uncomfortable range.
04-25-2009 | 10:19 AM
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It blows my mind when Captains are stingy on starting the APU (to save fuel), yet start our second engine way too early, taxi at a snails pace, fly way too fast, take lower altitudes because of a bump or two, start descents too early, etc...
Sure the APU burns gas, but there are other way more effective ways to save fuel that do not make the px sweat their balls & whoo-has off.
Sure the APU burns gas, but there are other way more effective ways to save fuel that do not make the px sweat their balls & whoo-has off.
What's a Who-ha?
04-25-2009 | 11:07 AM
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Agree on the environmental aspect.
There are also other ways to keep the cabin comfortable. Closing the shades and opening the gaspers during a turn can help.
On the job security end, you are talking about cost -vs- comfort. If you give the pax a choice between saving a couple bux on the ticket price -vs- maybe being a little warm for a few minutes while waiting for the push, what do you think the pax would say? The businessman/woman who didn't pay for the ticket anyway would rather not have the sweat stains under his/her arms and maybe a little odor problem. I think the Southwest crowd would be fine with a little sweatiness if it meant they could save another $2.50 off the ticket price.
As Compass is part of the Delta system, I have always felt that Delta would like to save the fuel but is willing to spend it for passenger comfort. I believe they leave it to the judgment of the crew. I've always tried to find a balance.
I think the guidance should come from the company. Personally, I prefer to stay out of marketing decisions and just stick to operating the equipment how they tell me to. If the company doesn't want to provide guidance, Then I would say that the Captain is Pilot in Command. If you want to decide when to run the APU, maybe you should upgrade.
I've noticed from your previous post that you are often seeking an incentive from your employer. Are you saying that you should get extra for helping the company remain viable? Many people feel that they will experience success if the company they work for experiences success.
What does Compass say about running the APU?
There are also other ways to keep the cabin comfortable. Closing the shades and opening the gaspers during a turn can help.
On the job security end, you are talking about cost -vs- comfort. If you give the pax a choice between saving a couple bux on the ticket price -vs- maybe being a little warm for a few minutes while waiting for the push, what do you think the pax would say? The businessman/woman who didn't pay for the ticket anyway would rather not have the sweat stains under his/her arms and maybe a little odor problem. I think the Southwest crowd would be fine with a little sweatiness if it meant they could save another $2.50 off the ticket price.
As Compass is part of the Delta system, I have always felt that Delta would like to save the fuel but is willing to spend it for passenger comfort. I believe they leave it to the judgment of the crew. I've always tried to find a balance.
I think the guidance should come from the company. Personally, I prefer to stay out of marketing decisions and just stick to operating the equipment how they tell me to. If the company doesn't want to provide guidance, Then I would say that the Captain is Pilot in Command. If you want to decide when to run the APU, maybe you should upgrade.
I've noticed from your previous post that you are often seeking an incentive from your employer. Are you saying that you should get extra for helping the company remain viable? Many people feel that they will experience success if the company they work for experiences success.
What does Compass say about running the APU?
04-25-2009 | 11:14 AM
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There are some CAs out there that are obsessed with this stuff. One less pilot on the steet crap which you have no way of knowing. That company who you are trying to save a few pounds of fuel for has no problem furloughing a pilot right after IOE or if it means saving a few dollars now even after the training costs. And they will do it without losing any sleep, meanwhile you're trying to save 50 pounds. I flew the profile and didn't mind some of the CAs that the OP is talking about, now I'm furloughed along with about a hundred others. I wish I could could have saved a little more gas.
04-25-2009 | 11:39 AM
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Let's face it. Were not really in a green industry. We are about getting them there fast and comfy. I didn't become a pilot to "save the planet." That being as it is, we should all do what we can to make a difference.
I can't control the temp of the office where my Director of Operations works. I don't even think about it. If I'm in the hotel in a room on the third floor, I can decide to walk the steps instead of taking the elevator. It doesn't matter how many times I or someone else takes the elevator when we could have walked.
Overall, it is a good idea to save JP-A. Good for the Earth, good for the company, good for the customers, good for me. It has to be balanced with common sense because we are operating a moderately high end transportation service.
If you don't like how the CA runs the show, shut up and pretend that you do. If you're a Captain and your FO doesn't like the way you run the show, tell him/her to shut up and pretend that he/she does.
I can't control the temp of the office where my Director of Operations works. I don't even think about it. If I'm in the hotel in a room on the third floor, I can decide to walk the steps instead of taking the elevator. It doesn't matter how many times I or someone else takes the elevator when we could have walked.
Overall, it is a good idea to save JP-A. Good for the Earth, good for the company, good for the customers, good for me. It has to be balanced with common sense because we are operating a moderately high end transportation service.
If you don't like how the CA runs the show, shut up and pretend that you do. If you're a Captain and your FO doesn't like the way you run the show, tell him/her to shut up and pretend that he/she does.
