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Flyby1206 05-08-2009 11:35 AM


Originally Posted by flyvne1971 (Post 607239)
With the computer thinking that the fuel level is low....how could you get a "Take-off Okay" message? :cool:

You get the "Takeoff OK" with 1 engine running too(or no engines for that matter), the only thing that button checks is Flaps, trim, spoilers, parking brake.

atpcliff 05-08-2009 12:29 PM

Hi!

The Falcon 20s I flew were limited to FL350. I flew one long-range cruise from YIP-ELP and we were down to .56 at altitude for best range. A lot of them would not make it to .74 with max continuous.

Very slow...

cliff
NBO

Avroman 05-08-2009 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by atpcliff (Post 607279)
Hi!

The Falcon 20s I flew were limited to FL350. I flew one long-range cruise from YIP-ELP and we were down to .56 at altitude for best range. A lot of them would not make it to .74 with max continuous.

Very slow...

cliff
NBO


I'd never thought a Falcon could get in the way of a CE-500......

Mason32 05-10-2009 06:12 PM


Originally Posted by Flyby1206 (Post 607244)
You get the "Takeoff OK" with 1 engine running too(or no engines for that matter), the only thing that button checks is Flaps, trim, spoilers, parking brake.


You have to cut them some slack. Their systems class isn't as ridiculously in depth as AMR's was/is. Yes, they do learn how to fly the plane, and how most systems work.... but that how to build it stuff, and how it interacts and works together crap is reserved for Sky Nazi school.... or in your case Junior Sky Nazi school. End result is don't expect to see them coming online as fast as you guys thought. The mx issues are much more in depth than were anticipated, and the FSDO has launched an investigation.

Between the upcomming maintenance issue, and the soon to happen strike vote, I hope people plan on shorting the stock, and not going long.

250 or point 65 05-10-2009 07:01 PM


Originally Posted by Mason32 (Post 608110)
You have to cut them some slack. Their systems class isn't as ridiculously in depth as AMR's was/is. Yes, they do learn how to fly the plane, and how most systems work.... but that how to build it stuff, and how it interacts and works together crap is reserved for Sky Nazi school.... or in your case Junior Sky Nazi school.

Are you serious with this? Are you really going to judge the sytems knowledge of an entire pilot group by some random post on APC? I'm pretty sure our system's manual is just as thick as yours and yeah, Eagle's lil interactive cockpit program is on the internet.

I'd be willing to put the systems knowledge of most of our captains up against most at Eagle. Waterskiers deal with more DMI's and MX safety issues before upgrade than most 15 yr captains at Eagle.

Our systems knowledge is strong just out of necessity of self-preservation.

eaglefly 05-10-2009 07:41 PM


Originally Posted by 250 or point 65 (Post 608126)
I'd be willing to put the systems knowledge of most of our captains up against most at Eagle. Waterskiers deal with more DMI's and MX safety issues before upgrade than most 15 yr captains at Eagle.

You attack another for belittling your pilots aircraft knowledge and then turn around and commit the very same transgression.

That bumps you down to a "D-" for both oblectivity and credibility.

As a 20 year captain for Eagle, the claim that your 3 year F/O's have more system knowledge then myself or other senior Eagle captains is baseless propwash. I'll assume it was just thoughtless emotion and misguided youth.

One thing is becoming increasingly obvious.........TSA maintenance is illegal and dangerous and TSA should be shutdown until the flying public's safety can be reasonable assured.

Pilotpip 05-10-2009 08:10 PM


Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 608144)

One thing is becoming increasingly obvious.........TSA maintenance is illegal and dangerous and TSA should be shutdown until the flying public's safety can be reasonable assured.

All hail the mighty Eagle. Safest, bestest regional out there with the most incredible pilots on Earth.

http://media.myfoxboston.com/images/...irlines500.jpg

They're so good they don't need the stinking gear.

250 or point 65 05-10-2009 08:17 PM


Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 608144)
As a 20 year captain for Eagle, the claim that your 3 year F/O's have more system knowledge then myself or other senior Eagle captains is baseless propwash. I'll assume it was just thoughtless emotion and misguided youth.

I'll also assume that you know how to read and if you take the chance to re-read my post, I didn't say that at all. I'll sum it up for you to save you the time.

1) Our captains have just as much, if not more, systems knowledge as yours.
2) We deal with many more systems related issues on a daily basis due to our MX than you do.

You can put 1 and 2 together in a blender and come out with your above quote, but that's not what I said. Also, I did not belittle anyone. I just said our captains are on par with yours from a knowledge standpoint because we NEED to be.

Herbie 05-10-2009 08:26 PM


Originally Posted by Pilotpip (Post 608157)
All hail the mighty Eagle. Safest, bestest regional out there with the most incredible pilots on Earth.

http://media.myfoxboston.com/images/...irlines500.jpg

They're so good they don't need the stinking gear.

Priceless.

Was that thud I heard someone being thrown off their high horse?

blastoff 05-10-2009 09:18 PM


Originally Posted by flyvne1971 (Post 607239)
With the computer thinking that the fuel level is low....how could you get a "Take-off Okay" message? :cool:

Unless you guys at TSA have different E-145's, the Takeoff config Warning only looks at Parking Brake, Flaps, Spoilers, and Trim. Stay in the books.


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