Ok let's see you catch the 6:45 am van, fly 3.5 to then wander an airport without a crew room for us for about 3.5 to then prep and then block 3.5 to then RUN to catch your deadhead (last flight of the day to base) that leaves 30 min after you set the brake. To finally land at your base at 9:30 pm. Oh then you get to try not to kill anyone driving the 35 minutes home after the 30 minutes it takes to get to your car to begin with....

I'd have rather done 7 legs on the Saab in a 12 hour day....

 

Guys, guys, no one is saying that you don't work your tails off, I am just simply trying to illustrate that both can be exhausting in different ways. I will 100% concede to the fact that props are hard on the body (I flew my share before I went to the jet), by contrast the jet, depending on the operator, the routes, and the schedule, can be very tiring on the mind.

When was the last time you guys did a non-prescion, in weather, around the mountains, in a non-radar environment? Again, just different kinds of flying, and both can be tiring in their own ways. I was just trying to point out that it's not just about landings and take offs, but rather the type of flying and the amount of it, both which apply to jets or props.

FMS and autopilot are great, but don't forget, some of us average 2hrs or more per leg and operate in RVSM space (which requires the AP above FL280). Just a thought.

As far as the video, I still believe that all the passengers walk away with is "inexperience" and "irresponsibility". The fact that a lot of us started at 20K a year doesn't really equate to safety in any shape or form in their minds.

 

Does it really matter who flies more legs, props, or jets, we are all poor!

 

I cannot believe this Roger Cohen. What a total POS. "... AND THE RULES WILL PREVENT YOU FROM BEING TIRED!" uhmm whaaat???? I guess he isn't aware that the same rules make it entirely legal for pilots work 16 hr days, and to go fly passengers after 8 hrs of so-called "rest" (which is maybe 5 hrs of actual sleep after waiting for van, getting settled in hotel and eating, then having to get ready in the morning, and another van ride). Not to mention some of these stand-up aka high-speeds some regionals make you do. god, I can't believe it, what kind of fantasyland does he think he's living in?????????? I would love to stuff him into a sack and................

 

That RAA jerk was a straight up liar. Absolute fraud; essentially an airline management pawn sent to defraud the traveling public with absolute lies about crew rest. Blaming the pilots for being tired after a 14 hour day and 8 hours of "rest"? With that kind of integrity he should've went to law school. These scumbags need to be dealt with.

 

I agree. The guys in the props work for their money much harder. But something about our schedules, especially mid trip. Wake up at 4 am, fly a 2 hour flight, get to hub, go on 2-3 hour sit. Try to catch a nap on the sit, good luck. Just as my body is winding down from the short overnight, early wake up, and long sit, it's time to go to work again for the 2-3 hour turn, only to be followed by the SAME EXACT CYCLE. Get to hub, get food, sit 2-3 hours, food coma kicks in, then it's time to go to work again to fly to the short overnight, only to repeat the same thing on day 3 and day 4.

When I was CVG and BOS based, we often had 6 leg days, averaging 50-60 minutes per leg gate to gate, but with minimum sit time and minimum (if any) bag drag. Although it was more fatiguing at the end of the day, when I was at work my brain was more engaged due to the fact I was working most of the time and not slowing down on mind numbing sit time . Also, the overnight was longer resulting in a more productive rest period.

 

yeah old Roger is the head of the Regional Airline ASSociation the one place where our (respective) companies come togther to rape us as one. think about in as far as evil goes he's just below Satan.

 

Hey everyone, I noticed it said that only 3 companies have FOQA, and I was wondering who had it their company. I work for Air Wisconsin and we have it, so who is the other 2?

 

It's very simple... There's what's legal and what's safe. When I worked at Skywest, I was never questioned when I asked for more rest for my crew. The plane doesn't leave the ground until I knew it was safe to do so. If I or my crew was not sufficiently rested, we don't go.... period. I never got called to the CPO because I asked for more rest.

 

We have FOQA at Delta.