Do I meet ATP requirements?
05-27-2006 | 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by robotsapproach
The important thing regarding SIC time and the ATP certificate, is that ALL SIC time counts towards the 1500 TT as long as the airplane requires two pilots and it was conducted under 121 or 135 ops.
Part 91 SIC time in an aircraft requiring two pilots will count as well.
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05-27-2006 | 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyerJosh
Just to clarify that, SIC counts if either the aircraft certification or AFM requires it (IE must have two crewmembers), OR if the SIC time was logged in part 121 or 135 ops.
Part 91 SIC time in an aircraft requiring two pilots will count as well.
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Part 91 SIC time in an aircraft requiring two pilots will count as well.
~J
05-27-2006 | 05:34 PM
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With regard to that whole ICAO minimum thing: I believe that has to do with being able, with the blessing of the ICAO, to operate a commercial aircraft internationally. I believe thats why most (if not all) regional carriers require that pilots have 3000TT before they allow a captain upgrade, because otherwise the company can't let u fly an international flight. You can command that CRJ domestically with just the ATP mins and type rating, but you can't fly it over the border into Canada, for example.
If any of that was incorrect, let me know.
If any of that was incorrect, let me know.
08-01-2009 | 05:40 PM
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With regard to that whole ICAO minimum thing: I believe that has to do with being able, with the blessing of the ICAO, to operate a commercial aircraft internationally. I believe thats why most (if not all) regional carriers require that pilots have 3000TT before they allow a captain upgrade, because otherwise the company can't let u fly an international flight. You can command that CRJ domestically with just the ATP mins and type rating, but you can't fly it over the border into Canada, for example.
If any of that was incorrect, let me know.
If any of that was incorrect, let me know.
So doing some research, I stumbled on this...
The above statement would not work for all of the FO's hired with low time. They would still have the restriction right? Half or more of their time would be SIC.
What is the take on this now?
08-01-2009 | 05:44 PM
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For the original poster, 91 SIC time would not work, you would need 121/135 SIC time for ICAO credit or actual PIC of any sort.
08-01-2009 | 05:49 PM
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With regard to that whole ICAO minimum thing: I believe that has to do with being able, with the blessing of the ICAO, to operate a commercial aircraft internationally. I believe thats why most (if not all) regional carriers require that pilots have 3000TT before they allow a captain upgrade, because otherwise the company can't let u fly an international flight. You can command that CRJ domestically with just the ATP mins and type rating, but you can't fly it over the border into Canada, for example.
If any of that was incorrect, let me know.
If any of that was incorrect, let me know.
Mesa used to have a 2500 hour requirement, but they dropped that to 1500 real quick when they got short-handed.
You meet ICAO requirements with 1500 hours TT, as long as you also have the PIC...doesn't matter where you got it.
08-01-2009 | 06:02 PM
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Ok, This is how I interpet this. You will have a restiction on your ATP if;
more than 50 percent of the 1200hrs is SIC time. I understand you need 1500tt but at least 1200 needs to be flight time as a pilot. The rest could be FE time. So out of that 1200hrs no more than half of that or 600hrs may be SIC time or you will have a restriction on your ATP. Hope I got that right, if not anyone that knows better please clarify or correct away.
more than 50 percent of the 1200hrs is SIC time. I understand you need 1500tt but at least 1200 needs to be flight time as a pilot. The rest could be FE time. So out of that 1200hrs no more than half of that or 600hrs may be SIC time or you will have a restriction on your ATP. Hope I got that right, if not anyone that knows better please clarify or correct away.
For ICAO ATP privileges you need:
Everything you need for a US ATP
AND
1200 hours PIC (of any sort)
OR
You can count 50% of your 121/135 SIC towards the 1200.
This means theoretically with 2400 hours 121/135 SIC you no longer need the 1200 SIC for ICAO purposes. If you have 1000 hours 121/135 SIC, you could reduce the 1200 by 500, so you would need 700 hours PIC for ICAO.
You still need 250 hours PIC, since that is a US requirement (although there is way to meet that with 121 SIC time too).
If a 121 FO has exactly 250 hours PIC he still needs 950 for ICAO. He can get one-for-two credit from his 121 SIC so he still need 1900 hours 121 (or 135) SIC.
08-01-2009 | 06:21 PM
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No, that's backwards. The wording of the regs is poor but here's what they really mean.
For ICAO ATP privileges you need:
Everything you need for a US ATP
AND
1200 hours PIC (of any sort)
OR
You can count 50% of your 121/135 SIC towards the 1200.
This means theoretically with 2400 hours 121/135 SIC you no longer need the 1200 SIC for ICAO purposes. If you have 1000 hours 121/135 SIC, you could reduce the 1200 by 500, so you would need 700 hours PIC for ICAO.
You still need 250 hours PIC, since that is a US requirement (although there is way to meet that with 121 SIC time too).
If a 121 FO has exactly 250 hours PIC he still needs 950 for ICAO. He can get one-for-two credit from his 121 SIC so he still need 1900 hours 121 (or 135) SIC.
For ICAO ATP privileges you need:
Everything you need for a US ATP
AND
1200 hours PIC (of any sort)
OR
You can count 50% of your 121/135 SIC towards the 1200.
This means theoretically with 2400 hours 121/135 SIC you no longer need the 1200 SIC for ICAO purposes. If you have 1000 hours 121/135 SIC, you could reduce the 1200 by 500, so you would need 700 hours PIC for ICAO.
You still need 250 hours PIC, since that is a US requirement (although there is way to meet that with 121 SIC time too).
If a 121 FO has exactly 250 hours PIC he still needs 950 for ICAO. He can get one-for-two credit from his 121 SIC so he still need 1900 hours 121 (or 135) SIC.
08-02-2009 | 06:53 AM
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E. Hours at Night. At least 100 hours must have been
accumulated as a pilot at night. An applicant who has
made over 20 night landings may thereafter substitute one
additional night takeoff and landing to a full stop for 1
hour of nighttime.
Am I reading this correctly? 100 hours night. However, after 20 landings, each landing after that may count as 1 hour of night? So someone could just go do a bunch of landings in a few hours(assuming they already have the 25 PIC) and call it a day?(or a night=O) Also, is the same wording in the 135 mins?
accumulated as a pilot at night. An applicant who has
made over 20 night landings may thereafter substitute one
additional night takeoff and landing to a full stop for 1
hour of nighttime.
Am I reading this correctly? 100 hours night. However, after 20 landings, each landing after that may count as 1 hour of night? So someone could just go do a bunch of landings in a few hours(assuming they already have the 25 PIC) and call it a day?(or a night=O) Also, is the same wording in the 135 mins?
Last edited by pagey; 08-02-2009 at 06:55 AM. Reason: spelling and whatnot
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