Aviation Expert slams regional pilots
05-13-2009, 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by SmoothOnTop
Hey Aviation Expert-
Find an audience that cares.
Go to the ntsb 3407 animation clock 22:16:34.
Comment about the roll axis effectiveness of the rudder at high AOA as the video plays from that point.
Pause the playback at 22:16:47 and ask for a sign of hands from the audience as to how many believe that the q400 can successfully recover from the split S.
Push play, have fun...
Find an audience that cares.
Go to the ntsb 3407 animation clock 22:16:34.
Comment about the roll axis effectiveness of the rudder at high AOA as the video plays from that point.
Pause the playback at 22:16:47 and ask for a sign of hands from the audience as to how many believe that the q400 can successfully recover from the split S.
Push play, have fun...
Wholly Owned Crap, Batman!
The animation looks like the left seat pilot was having a seziure.
On the FDR, the left seat pilot pushed the right rudder pedal with over 150 lbs force!
05-13-2009, 05:13 PM
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Training is training. Either the material makes sense to a student, or it doesn't. One of my furloughed friends makes a great point, "If you put a banana chip on the gear lever when you need it down, a monkey can put it down for you, but the monkey doesn't understand how the gear works". I don't care if you do your training at NASA or Joe Bob's barnstormer school, if you can correllate your knowledge, you're better off than the Astronaut who rote learned his material.
05-13-2009, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by jonnyjetprop
05-13-2009, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I started out as a civilian trained pilot and then went through a military program. I can tell you the two are worlds apart in quality and instructional tools. You also get to experience many things you will only ever talk about in a civilian program. This is not a knock on civilian pilots. Its simply a statement that the military training is light years ahead of most civilian programs. I had one friend in flight school who had 4000 hours and had been a Captain at a regional. He was astounded at the difference in the training and the things he learned and experienced the civilian programs never give you a shot at. Are there bad military pilots yes. Are there great civilian pilots yes. The training however in general is light years ahead in the military.
In all seriousness training only takes you so far. Sheer flight time in various weather conditions, geographical climates, different density airports, etc. build the experience. I have no doubt the initial military training is top notch however I feel the sheer amount of hours and real world flying in multiple locations with differing weather conditions allows for a more confident person in the cockpit. Take two guys one an ex mil guy with 10,000hrs in a 737 or a non-mil guy with 10,000hrs in that aircraft and try and tell them apart.
05-13-2009, 06:11 PM
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I am really getting bored of this "military pilots are better airline pilots" crap that has been so prevalent since Sully ditched it in the river. If i was the low self esteem kind of guy i would feel really crappy about myself now.
05-13-2009, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Slice
I'd say he has a fairly impressive resume...
Plenty of people will certainly not agree with some of his points though.
I'd listen to him about things having to do with mishap investigation; but his views on *experience* are his opinion....nothing else.
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05-13-2009, 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Slice
I'd say he has a fairly impressive resume...
05-13-2009, 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Swedish Blender
Trying flying with a tac air guy in the snow and ice for the first time. At least he looked at me and said he never flew in that kind of weather and had no idea.
Since we usually fly in flights of multiple aircraft - we do tend to try and AVOID the weather. I don't have much experience in ice at all. Luckily I have avoided most of it throughout my career. I know that if I get that flying job in the civvie world that flying into different kinds of weather more often will be a change - but I feel confident that I'll be able to handle it.
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05-13-2009, 06:31 PM
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As an Airline Pilot and an Aerial Applicator if my father in law needs help. lumping cropdusters in with with the rest of us is a joke. The new airplanes are not just barnstormers. We use the latest in navigation that is tied to the farmers fields with Trimble Sat Locs allowing chemical to be applied where it is needed not just a blanket cover of a field. You need to have the skill to pilot a high performance aircraft low to the ground well manuevering. Applicating is not RNAV LNAV USA Today.
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