Aviation Expert slams regional pilots
05-13-2009 | 07:30 PM
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I know a lot of civvie SWA pilots and military SWA pilots and I've never heard this. 
Personally - I as a F-teen driver as you say - do some things better than other types of military pilots.
They (all the non- F-teen drivers) do other things better than I do.
I told a story on another thread recently that a 3,000+ hr former Part 135 pilot came thorugh training. He did pretty well....but he wasn't the best out of the class. For instance - at the carrier qualification - the top hook award was awarded to a guy with about 250TT.
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05-13-2009 | 07:31 PM
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It appears he has had quite the career, judging by his military/NTSB background, ao im not surprised he says that the cream of the crop comes from there?? Its pretty biased on his part in my opinion. I love how you can "contact Al now". Its "experts" like these that p-ss me off. Im sure hes had a very successful career and a lot of experiences, so kudos.....but i go up in my "little CRJ" and fly the same people and do the same routes and through the same weather as the MD88 pilot or the 757 pilot, or the guy flying the Citation X for Corporate....so all I have to say to you Al is "dont bash the Regionals, dont bash any pilots, cause we re all here doin the same damn thing.
05-13-2009 | 07:42 PM
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05-13-2009 | 07:46 PM
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Here are my gripes with this "news article":
"That crew was not ready to respond to a stall warning," Dean Bandavanis, director of flight operations for Colgan Air...testified. "They kind of acted surprised."
This quote is worth ten million dollars to any lawyer with a pulse. Home Run.
Shaw also seemed ill-prepared for the stall warning, Yurman said.
"She said it herself, 'I've never seen so much ice,'" Yurman said, referring to a transcript of the flight recording. "And [Renslow] did exactly what an inexperienced pilot would do."
If this is a true statement, and if "all regional pilots are inexperienced" is also a true statement, the only logical conclusion is that every regional flight results in the deaths of all aboard.
Both pilots also violated FAA regulations by talking about non-flight-related matters below 10,000 feet, something more experienced pilots would not do, Yurman said.
Yurman does not = Airline Pilot. Yurman = Tool.
"He wasn't experienced enough to know that he was having this icing problem to begin with," he said. "An experienced captain would not let that happen.... A lot of these commuter airlines try to teach experience, and you can't do that."
Another reason every regional flight results in the deaths of all aboard?
But Roger Cohen, president of the Regional Airlines Association, said it's wrong to suspect that regional airlines aren't as safe as the major airlines. Safety on smaller aircraft is "equal to or better" than safety on larger aircraft," Cohen said...
Cohen basically says Civilian is "equal to or better" than Military. Case closed.
"All of our member airlines adhere to the exact same rules as the major airlines in terms of scheduling, safety and so forth," Cohen said. "It's all part of one system. Safety is number one on our radar screen every day of the year."
Every day? Maybe. But Colgan (and Comair 5191) crashed at night.
I was unaware that Colgan, Mesa, Delta, and Southwest all "adhere to the exact same rules" for scheduling.
Cohen = Yurman = Tool.
"That crew was not ready to respond to a stall warning," Dean Bandavanis, director of flight operations for Colgan Air...testified. "They kind of acted surprised."
This quote is worth ten million dollars to any lawyer with a pulse. Home Run.
Shaw also seemed ill-prepared for the stall warning, Yurman said.
"She said it herself, 'I've never seen so much ice,'" Yurman said, referring to a transcript of the flight recording. "And [Renslow] did exactly what an inexperienced pilot would do."
If this is a true statement, and if "all regional pilots are inexperienced" is also a true statement, the only logical conclusion is that every regional flight results in the deaths of all aboard.
Both pilots also violated FAA regulations by talking about non-flight-related matters below 10,000 feet, something more experienced pilots would not do, Yurman said.
Yurman does not = Airline Pilot. Yurman = Tool.
"He wasn't experienced enough to know that he was having this icing problem to begin with," he said. "An experienced captain would not let that happen.... A lot of these commuter airlines try to teach experience, and you can't do that."
Another reason every regional flight results in the deaths of all aboard?
But Roger Cohen, president of the Regional Airlines Association, said it's wrong to suspect that regional airlines aren't as safe as the major airlines. Safety on smaller aircraft is "equal to or better" than safety on larger aircraft," Cohen said...
Cohen basically says Civilian is "equal to or better" than Military. Case closed.
"All of our member airlines adhere to the exact same rules as the major airlines in terms of scheduling, safety and so forth," Cohen said. "It's all part of one system. Safety is number one on our radar screen every day of the year."
Every day? Maybe. But Colgan (and Comair 5191) crashed at night.
I was unaware that Colgan, Mesa, Delta, and Southwest all "adhere to the exact same rules" for scheduling.
Cohen = Yurman = Tool.
05-13-2009 | 08:07 PM
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From: Legacy FO
I think the people on here who are getting wrapped around the axle need to relax a little bit. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
Lets face it, two of our peer groups made big mistakes in judgement and duty performance. It sucks because even if you aren't a regional pilot, their actions will reflect on all us.
Lets face it, two of our peer groups made big mistakes in judgement and duty performance. It sucks because even if you aren't a regional pilot, their actions will reflect on all us.
05-13-2009 | 08:25 PM
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Experts who testified during the first day of NTSB hearings said Renslow who slept in Colgan's flight crew room prior to the flight, violating regulations could have prevented the plane's plunge into a private home had he lowered the nose of the aircraft. Instead, the 47-year-old pilot who took private flying lessons to obtain his commercial license pulled the plane upward.
Sleeping the crew room violation of regulations? You gotta be kidding. And taking private flying lessons to get your commercial? Are there public lessons I can take for much less money?
Get real buddy.
Sleeping the crew room violation of regulations? You gotta be kidding. And taking private flying lessons to get your commercial? Are there public lessons I can take for much less money?
Get real buddy.
05-13-2009 | 08:29 PM
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From: Legacy FO
Experts who testified during the first day of NTSB hearings said Renslow who slept in Colgan's flight crew room prior to the flight, violating regulations could have prevented the plane's plunge into a private home had he lowered the nose of the aircraft. Instead, the 47-year-old pilot who took private flying lessons to obtain his commercial license pulled the plane upward.
Sleeping the crew room violation of regulations? You gotta be kidding. And taking private flying lessons to get your commercial? Are there public lessons I can take for much less money?
Get real buddy.
Sleeping the crew room violation of regulations? You gotta be kidding. And taking private flying lessons to get your commercial? Are there public lessons I can take for much less money?
Get real buddy.
If you don't feel well rested, don't go to work. It is that simple.
05-13-2009 | 08:34 PM
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From: blueJet
I think GPWS should be changed. Instead of "whoop Whoop Pull Up" It should say "Whoop Whoop Pull The Plane Upward"
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