DryMotorBoatin

Air Canada 621, Air Florida 90, Tenerife Disaster, previously mentioned American Airlines 1420, previously mentioned American Airlines 587, Continential 1713(pic had 130 in type)(this is the reason CVR tapes are no longer made public), Delta 723, Delta 1141, FedEx 647, National 193, NWA 255, Southwest 1248, Southwest 1455, TWA 841, TWA 541, UAL 173.

Take a look at those. To say that regional pilots aren't as taleneted is absurd. I've flown with some damn fine regional pilots. I'll compare safety records any day but lets not compare accident per mile flown but accident per take off/approach.

DryMotorBoatin

[quote=ToiletDuck;610070]but then again the EMB doesn't switch to guns very easily.

Wait a minute? Isn't that what the handle under the trap door beneath the FO's left foot does? If not then I pulled that pointlessly everytime a bogey showed up on the TCAS when we were 6/Above.

USMC3197

I guess we are just not the "cream of the crop".... hahaha what a joke... We learn from the mainline guys and they learn from us. Accidents are just that... accidents... both worlds are just as prone to them. AA flies a plane into the mountains at Cali due to lack of situational awareness and Comair takes off the wrong runway and crashes. Both teach a good lesson for both mainline and regional pilots about situational awareness at ALL TIMES. This was just an unfortunate accident and we should just morn for the families and learn from the accident so that it will not happen again.

ToiletDuck

My point being, which you've helped point out, is that aviators work across a vast rang of types of flying. I fly with our crop duster all the time who has 25k hours and he flies IFR very rarely and can't tell you the specifications of different airspaces yet he can handle an aircraft extremely well. So is he a great pilot or a bad pilot? I have a few thousand hours now flying in and out of large airports and flying in various weather conditions but I don't have any experience flying 10ft off the ground under powerlines. Which one of us is the "bad" pilot? I don't know anyone that's proficient in everything and that's what this guy makes mil pilots sound like. Mil guys excel at mil things not everything.

HercDriver130

I think the guy is a putz.

As for the mil vs civ thing. Well everyone has their opinion. Me included. You could hash this out for pages... but to me... the biggest difference in military flight school and some guy going to an FBO or a mill like ATP's, is that you are expected to master an item by a certian point in the syllabus... end of story ... if you dont.. or cant... you are in trouble...couple extra rides probably but there is NOT a whole lot of leeway. in the civ world... you just go and do it again....and again..and again...until the guys money runs out or eventually he does get it. To me that is the biggest difference.... 2 years ago I was in a local fbo and there was a kid in there with 37 hours and he still hadnt soled yet..... that would not happen in a mil training program,,, and the aircraft the mil stud is flying is much more complex than the 172 that kid was flying. At the 200-250 hours mark I would put my money on the mil guy 85% of the time.... and franky by probably 1000 hours the gap is closed considerably .....there are ALWAYS exceptions..... both ways. Its just two different ways to skin a cat.

River6

So if you're not F-teen driver your not the cream of the crop. I got news for this so called expert. At SWA we have to spoon feed the military guys compared to regional guys. The military guys come in and most struggle through IOE.

resetjet

As good as most military pilots are, it must be an interesting transition for a single seat F-Driver into the world of CRM.

(Yes I am fully aware the majority of military pilots operate in multi crew aircraft)

HercDriver130

mil vs. civ who cares as long as they have skills.

mregan

It appears he has had quite the career, judging by his military/NTSB background, ao im not surprised he says that the cream of the crop comes from there?? Its pretty biased on his part in my opinion. I love how you can "contact Al now". Its "experts" like these that p-ss me off. Im sure hes had a very successful career and a lot of experiences, so kudos.....but i go up in my "little CRJ" and fly the same people and do the same routes and through the same weather as the MD88 pilot or the 757 pilot, or the guy flying the Citation X for Corporate....so all I have to say to you Al is "dont bash the Regionals, dont bash any pilots, cause we re all here doin the same damn thing.

HercDriver130

Not really... allthough I am sure there are some who do have a transition problem. Fighter guys rarely operate single ship... almost always in concert with 1-3 other aircraft ...and believe me..... formation flying requires CREW resource mgt within the flight. Its not exactly the same.. but many of the same principles apply.

as for the comment above about spoon feeding mil pilots during IOE... I would bet that the spoon feeding as more to do with airline operations...than actual flying the aircraft... as I said above...there are always exceptions.....course we all arent god and walk on water like River6.