Pilot Lifestyle Under Threat
05-14-2009, 03:20 AM
#31
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Originally Posted by BURflyer
If you are dumb enough to commute from Seattle to the NY area for a 1300 dollar per month job on 10 days off all the power to you.
05-14-2009, 05:23 AM
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Someone correct me if a i am wrong, as i was still a flight student when 9-11 happened. Didn't TSA try to ban jump seating in flight deck, which failed essentially because of the amount of commuters it would screw over?
05-14-2009, 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by SebastianDesoto
Someone correct me if a i am wrong, as i was still a flight student when 9-11 happened. Didn't TSA try to ban jump seating in flight deck, which failed essentially because of the amount of commuters it would screw over?
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05-14-2009, 06:00 AM
#34
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Originally Posted by Tinpusher007
I believe it was banned shortly after 9/11 but then came back soon after once CASS was established. Now someone correct me...was CASS before or after 9/11?
05-14-2009, 08:17 AM
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Look, you see the video, you see how much of a chance this guy had to recover, the nose oscillated about 4 times before he rolled it over. Whether he was rested or not, the initial stick shaker/pusher would have been enough to slap him in the face, bring him back to reality, and make him recover, but he didn't he froze, I've seen this a thousand times when I flight instructed, the student just holds the yoke back in their chest and freezes, when they enter the stall, then I yell at them to put the nose down. Luckily in a warrior, at 5000 ft you can stall 25 times before you hit the ground as long as the ball is centered, , this was just a breakdown in basic flying skills and instrument scan. That is all, not about rest, fatigue, commuting, autopilot usage, etc. just a simple breakdown in basic flying skills.
05-14-2009, 08:47 AM
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<P>I don't know about anyone else...But i sure as He!! haven't forgotten about 9/11 nor will I ever. I think thats a pretty broad statement to think people have fogotten about 9/11.</P>
Originally Posted by afterburn81
I'm pretty optimistic about most things in life but aviation is slowly loosing it's ability to be one of those things. Mainly because these days money is everything to everyone. Aviation is one pretty unique part of the economy in a sense that when a passenger buys a ticket, every single penny that they pay goes to someone different. In other words there are so many people, agencies, administrations, corporations, associations, boards, shareholders, and finally front line employees having to take a bite out of the cookie. Basically when we as the the flight crew members see it there are only crumbs of the crumbs left. All that and now the cookies being baked are getting smaller and smaller. So until people learn to part with their money and downsize their lifestyles AKA greed, we as the people that harness the brunt of the liability will be only scrutinized and made out to be the scape goats. Pilots are people and people make mistakes, and when the people that influence those people cut corners the mistakes become more abundant. </P>
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<P>We are going to have to get used to the fact that a flight crew may have screwed up and we as pilots are all guilty by association in the eyes of the public. Unfortunately nothing will come of it and people will all forget about it just like 9/11. Money alone will not fix it, but rather a reduction in greed. That's going to be a tough one to overcome.
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<P>We are going to have to get used to the fact that a flight crew may have screwed up and we as pilots are all guilty by association in the eyes of the public. Unfortunately nothing will come of it and people will all forget about it just like 9/11. Money alone will not fix it, but rather a reduction in greed. That's going to be a tough one to overcome.
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<P>I don't know about anyone else...But i sure as He!! haven't forgotten about 9/11 nor will I ever. I think thats a pretty broad statement to think people have fogotten about 9/11.</P>
05-14-2009, 08:50 AM
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This investigation is starting to focus on fatigue.... but not the fatigue caused the the standard 14 hour duty days that airlines and their scheduling departments take ADVANTAGE of, but fatigue caused by commuting, something a vast number of pilots do to get to work. This is going in the wrong direction...
05-14-2009, 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by shadyops
Entice pilots to live in base with attractive salaries. Ban commuting. If you don't want to move, find another job.
05-14-2009, 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by shadyops
Entice pilots to live in base with attractive salaries. Ban commuting. If you don't want to move, find another job.
But since you may be living in Chicago till PennyPinch Airlines changes bases and you have to move again, people don't bother moving in the first place. What the hell are we, nomads?
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