DeadHead

As far as I know the FedEx MD-11 crash is still being investigated.

250 or point 65

Not letting an aircraft get slow is Flying 101. Doesn't matter what airframe it is CRJ or 1900.

Where did the captain learn Flying 101?

johnnysnow

Anybody who has ever flight instructed knows the answer to this one. Law of Primacy.

Students retain information they learn for the first time longer than they retain information they must relearn. Unlearning incorrect procedures (or bad habits) is always more difficult than learning the correct procedures.

The most impressionable experiences (good or bad) occur during primary flight training. Remember, it's not just skill students are learning, it's also airmanship, or judgment inside the aircraft.

I'm not bashing Gulfstream or those pilots who attended this school. But to somehow imply that those 250 hours are wiped clean by the proceeding 3500 hrs is in every expert's opinion incorrect.

The first 250 hrs shape a pilot. The curves will change over time, but the shape will stay the same. Unless, the pilot is broken down and built back up again. This is something we all know the regionals are not in the habit of doing.

That being said, contrary to your opinion, the first 250 hours have everything to do with what you do in the cockpit 3 years later.

Ottopilot

There are plenty of Gulfstream pilots flying at the majors. They have no problems. I'd find another excuse other than the "generic" Gulfstream argument.

On another note: My wife with 10 hours dual from 15 years ago was watching the Colgan thing on the news. After hearing what the crew did, she said out loud, "You're supposed to push forward in a stall, not pull back." She never soloed and knew what to do.

BURflyer

Very interesting. As far as I know GA isn't a flight school, just PFT for those that already have the licenses. But from my experience all of the former GA pilots that I have come across, which were three, were very bad pilots with history of training and checkride failures. I'm sure it's not the norm but it does make you wonder.

Ottopilot

True, but it doesn't look good for the pilots. They should have gone around three different times. That's just from watching the video; I don't have all the facts.

rightside02

I agree with this to some degree. But what does gulfstream have to do with the rules that were broken.( sterile cockpit rule< switching seats , not following procedures etc )These are decisions that are made on a day to day basis.

I think this whole accident is more of a discipline issue that a "where did he learned to shoot a ILS issue".

lack of professionalism is a daily decision nothing to do with what you learned at Gulfstream or at your mom and pa's FBO years ago.

BURflyer

Yea an the colgan ca failed a few of them. I read that he failed his 1900 FO training and I'm pretty sure it was at Colgan. This guy came from gulfstream which last time I checked flies the 1900 which I'm assuming you have to do a full pt121 training program to qualify on, yet he still managed to fail at colgan on the SAME airplane. That's all you need to know.

G-Dog

I know a few people at GIA and I would put my family in a plane with them flying. They are class act pilots and good stick and rudder guys. So end the nonsense.

rickair7777

Your post made me ponder for a moment....


What percentage of airline pilots are women? Less than 5% I think.

What percentage of recent smoking hole crashes had female flight crew members?

Colgan: Yes
Comair: No
Pinnacle: No
Air Midwest: Yes

That works out to 50%. Better be careful playing with statistics...