PinnacleFO

The last 3 fatal airline crashes Were Colgan, Comair 5191, and Pinnacle 3701
Colgans Captain = Gulfstream
Comair's Captain = Gulfstream
Both Pinnacle Pilots = Gulfstream


Facts are facts

HookEm

The pilot at the controls in those accidents were men

Facts are Facts

newarkblows

I disagree with gulfstreams "business" but i think what your trying to say is impossible to prove. Really what it comes down to is a my experiences are better then your experiences cat fight. Those that take the easy way out will never see the wrong in it or understand what they did... they will just complain about the industry not being what their expensive brochure said it was

Outlaw2097

All three companies signed off those pilots were capable of operating their aircraft

Facts are facts

TheGreatChecko

I can't say that the same thought has crossed my mind as well. I'm sure there are some good pilots in the bunch, but damn, this is a hell of a record for one school/airline to have.

Checko

atpwannabe

Took the words right out of my mouth. Couldn't have said any better!!!




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DeadHead

I'll go out on a limb here and say that if the Captain HAD been a flight instructor with even just a few hundred hours of dual given under his belt, this crash would have never happened.

Paying for a job as a means to sidestep the pursuit of valuable experience as a professional aviator is in no way moral, legitimate, or conducive to staffing the strongest pilots in our cockpits.

It's not about which experience is best, it's about not lowering the bar or looking the other way when it comes to safe, proficient flying skills strictly for a company to make more money.

I'll even go out on the limb a little further, I don't think it is merely a coincidence that the above three crashes all contained Gulfstream Academy Graduates.

rightside02

I agree it does look bad all day long. But the fact still remains someone comes and does a few hundred hours of flying at Gulfstream moves on to another 121 airline. Is there for a few years and actually upgrades to captain now has somewhere around 3500 hours TT in a totally different type of machine, operations etc. What does his 250 hours at Gulfstream have anything to do with what he decided to do 3 years later in a CRJ 200 at FL 410 ??? Swapping seats and doing all the things all these people did with these accidents. All of the above pilots went through trainging again at thier new airline had to get a type rating etc. He acumulated bad habbits over the years not just at Gulfstream flying the little 1900.

Kinda get tired of people bashing Gulfstream blamming the company for what actually is the responsibilty of the pilots , regardless of where they got thier original 250 hours.

Sure all these guys did wrong ,yes. But doesnt change the fact that they must have picked up crappy habbits at their current company. Not what they did when they flew in florida 3 years ago.

DeadHead

When you build a tower with a crappy foundation it will always collapse.

HookEm

And what of the recent FedEx MD-11 accident?

Military flight training is recognized as the best in the world yet they still managed to make mistakes and it cost them their lives. Was their "foundation" flawed in some way?

Gulfstream doesn't train pilots on the Q400 or the CRJ. Making sure those pilots are properly trained and fit for duty rests solely on the companies that hired them and trained them.

Your opinion on Gulfstream is recognized but to try and put the blame on a company that has no control over pilots once they leave is a bit of a stretch. I'd be willing to bet the NTSB doesn't cite Gulfstream Training Academy in it's probable cause section.