I'm not saying one way or the other about whether GIA is a factor. However, I do question the mentality of a pilot that buys a job as it is certainly not a professional mentality.

 

Since I used the word primary once and the phrase "first 250" twice, it was obvious that I meant a pilot's first 250 hours. I was of course incorrect about GA providing primary flight training. However, your sarcasm is not appreciated.

 

I believe we are up to about 6% now but I do appreciate your warning to me about statistics. I also want to thank you for ruining the obvious sarcasm of my post as it was pointing out the utter ridiculousness of the original poster. I'm not a GIA crusader however I think it is poor taste to use this accident as a means to sling mud.

Two pilots are being hung out to dry by the company that hired and trained them and they are without a voice to defend themselves. Yes they made mistakes but the way they are being portrayed is sickening. They surely don't need fellow pilots critisizing their choices of where to train. My .02 take it or leave it

 

Couldnt agree more!!

 

Add me to that list as well...

I'd have more respect for you if you said,
"Yeah, I paid for my first flying job and realize it was wrong."
but you PFT'ers are all the same, you think you can pay your way into the cockpit while sidestepping pilots with morals, integrity, and professional ethic.

 

Well as long as the FAA allows some companies (a.k.a. Gulfstream) to sell cockpit seats to certain pilots who are looking for a seat to warm, we will continue battle this element of inexperienced flight crewmembers in this industry.

Experience can only be gained through hard work, dedication, commitment, and patience, not a single one of those characteristics describe a pilot willing to pay for a job so that they can get ahead in their career earlier!

 

I wouldnt say "no one respects cfi experience", I respected mine. I respect everyone who's done it. I firmly believe that that experience stays with you forever. Sure it gets boring and after you do it for a long time you want to move on asap but the basic flying skills that are gained are invaluable. I've seen guys who didnt instruct a day in their life do stalls in the sim at a 121 airline and they get nervous. Not all but most of them are uncomfortable with stalls. Most instructors dont get worked up about stalls because they've done them a million times and know that its not a big deal as long as you recover appropriately.

on top of that most instructors have it ingrained in them never get slow and to always be cognizant of airspeed. +5 -0 is what i always told my students, i could care less if you carry a little bit of speed but never get slow.

 

Then get the facts straight

Colgans captain= Gulfstream, left after his 250 and spent 3500+ hrs on 3 aircraft and god knows how many training events with Colgan
comairs FO= Gulfstream
Both Pinnicle Pilots = Gulfstream ( and they got in trouble cowboying around with an empty aircraft ) which i'm sure some of you have done but got away with it because you got lucky and didnt get caught

Another FACT : while I will not slam either pilot, the fact remains they were both in violation of many regs, and a complete breakdown of CRM they were equally guilty. THe FO also raised flaps uncommanded and seemed just as confused as the captain.
The FO was a 1600 hr Flight Instructor with a 4 year degree when she ented 121 flying and she was just as guilty of this tradgedy as the Capt that went to Gulfstream..they were a crew equally responsible..lets keep it real people, GIA in their resume is not an issue but a coincidence.

I hear people all the time talking about how being a flight instructor is so much better than PFT 121, it gives you more experience. If this is so, then why did the FO say on the CVR that her first day of IOE was the most actual she had, as opposed to a 250 GIA pilot with 25 or 30 actual in 121. Before you flame I am making a simple point that both ways work and both ways have their value, so quit making crap up to further your twisted sense of indignanty.
I am not proposing one over the other, I know people who have done both and are good pilots.

The plain fact is most of the people that dislike GIA pilots do so because they were told to by someone elses opinion ( most likely their CFI ), which makes me question their command authority and ability to think for themselves. Kinda goes back to the Primacy thing

 

I know you want to believe the training at Gulfstream is superior since you spent a lot of money there. The truth is the training at Gulfstream is inferior to just about every flight school out there. The actual airline has not had a crash yet, but the flight school had plenty before it was shut down. The company has no integrity. It was raised on the foundations of no-integrity when it was started by that Eastern scab. The pilots that come from Gulfstream, including you, are a disgrace to hard-working pilots everywhere. Go back to your CRJ at Pinnacle with no work rules and enjoy paying back your loan to that scumbag operation. Moron.

 

Absolutly Spot On Post...Nice to see someone gets it