Should we form a regional airline union?
05-19-2009 | 12:18 PM
#51
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No, and no. What does any of this have to do with the discussion at hand? Points off for stupidity of inability to come up with a relevant argument.
05-19-2009 | 12:24 PM
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I'm paying plenty of attention, you just don't seem to like being called on what you've posted.
But please, take "points off" if it makes you feel better about yourself; I'm not the one trolling the regional board claiming how much more difficult and dangerous my job is...
But please, take "points off" if it makes you feel better about yourself; I'm not the one trolling the regional board claiming how much more difficult and dangerous my job is...
Your post:
You've claimed your job is harder. More dangerous. More stressful. You've gone so far to say regional pilots lose the "bigger schwartz" contest all day - and they're the ones that are arrogant? YGBSM!
Having never flown widebodies internationally, I say you're job isn't any harder, any more dangerous, any more stressful, than somebody flying an RJ or a Saab domestically in the US. Here's why:
The dangers and the risks in the two radically different types of flying (as the job itself - airplane Point A to Point B unscratched, is the exact same) differ greatly, but there's no way to quantify one being any "harder" or "easier" than the other because they are so different. One leg 8-12 hours with an augmented crew provides different issues and different risks than 6-8 legs per day. An issue you have with widebody flying is landing currency & proficency; an issue regional pilots have is complacency due to doing the same thing (up and down) over and over and over again.
It'd be really great if people could drop the f'in airline vs. military vs. corprate and regional vs. mainline crap and just acknowledge each segment of the industry is DIFFERENT - not any better or worse or harder or easier than another...
Once again. The original poster to which I was responding claimed that a 777 position was no different than flying 7 legs a day back and forth in the US. It indeed is different. They are not the same job. Then all the regional egomaniacs started chiming in with how tough it is to fly a saab, blah,blah,blah. Been there, done that. The jobs are not the same, do not justify the same pay. End of story. The rest is just fluff.
05-19-2009 | 12:34 PM
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I guess you also have missed the point....
And for the record the guys that had the most difficulty in training on the CRJ here were the 50+ age group. Plus between the age of 25 and 30 I have managed to qualify on 6 different turbine airplanes either 135 or 121 without any failed checkrides. Including the Saab.... Could a motivated 60 year old do the same, probably, so what. Could you with your arrogant attitude, I'd bet against it. Could I learn to fly a 747 around the world. Yes. Do I want to, no. You can have your "glorious" oceanic flights. As I have said I'm content to stay in North America.
And for the record the guys that had the most difficulty in training on the CRJ here were the 50+ age group. Plus between the age of 25 and 30 I have managed to qualify on 6 different turbine airplanes either 135 or 121 without any failed checkrides. Including the Saab.... Could a motivated 60 year old do the same, probably, so what. Could you with your arrogant attitude, I'd bet against it. Could I learn to fly a 747 around the world. Yes. Do I want to, no. You can have your "glorious" oceanic flights. As I have said I'm content to stay in North America.
Let's try this. You enjoy your domestic whateveritis. You will get less pay than the people who go worldwide for the commensurate seat. They are different jobs. If your ego needs to believe your job is so much more challenging, hard, important, then so be it.
The paychecks state otherwise. The is a reason for international override--which isn't enough.
Later gators. Enjoy the RJ.
05-19-2009 | 04:36 PM
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From: Former XJ, Corporate HS-125
Congratulations on your resume. I don't need to feed my ego out to the world via my resume. I did not miss your point. You missed the point of the whole thread creep.
Let's try this. You enjoy your domestic whateveritis. You will get less pay than the people who go worldwide for the commensurate seat. They are different jobs. If your ego needs to believe your job is so much more challenging, hard, important, then so be it.
The paychecks state otherwise. The is a reason for international override--which isn't enough.
Later gators. Enjoy the RJ.
Let's try this. You enjoy your domestic whateveritis. You will get less pay than the people who go worldwide for the commensurate seat. They are different jobs. If your ego needs to believe your job is so much more challenging, hard, important, then so be it.
The paychecks state otherwise. The is a reason for international override--which isn't enough.
Later gators. Enjoy the RJ.
05-19-2009 | 05:01 PM
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Sigh.
Once again. The original poster to which I was responding claimed that a 777 position was no different than flying 7 legs a day back and forth in the US. It indeed is different. They are not the same job. Then all the regional egomaniacs started chiming in with how tough it is to fly a saab, blah,blah,blah. Been there, done that. The jobs are not the same, do not justify the same pay. End of story. The rest is just fluff.
Once again. The original poster to which I was responding claimed that a 777 position was no different than flying 7 legs a day back and forth in the US. It indeed is different. They are not the same job. Then all the regional egomaniacs started chiming in with how tough it is to fly a saab, blah,blah,blah. Been there, done that. The jobs are not the same, do not justify the same pay. End of story. The rest is just fluff.
I don't know if you're referring to my post, but I did not say that they are the same job. My buddy who is a United 777 captain tells me that my job is harder than his job. That statement implies difference, not sameness.
Anyway, the high horse dissolved a generation ago. Go away while others 'pay their dues'.
05-20-2009 | 08:09 AM
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Can we get back to the thread topic.
My personal opinion is that we would be better off hiring a professional lobbying group than forming a new union. What would a new union do for us that the existing one doesn't? Would a new regional union have things like the accident teams, critical incident teams, aeromedical support, legal aid and all the other crap that ALPA has if you really get in a pinch....
Why reinvent the wheel?
I'd rather spend some money, targeted directly where it needs to go, like into a Political Action Committee.... which by the way ALPA has one of those already... how many of you put your money where your mouth is? 5 less cups of coffee per month gets the ALPA-PAC $120 a year.... with ~60,000 members that is 7.2 million per year to make the politicians see it our way.
My personal opinion is that we would be better off hiring a professional lobbying group than forming a new union. What would a new union do for us that the existing one doesn't? Would a new regional union have things like the accident teams, critical incident teams, aeromedical support, legal aid and all the other crap that ALPA has if you really get in a pinch....
Why reinvent the wheel?
I'd rather spend some money, targeted directly where it needs to go, like into a Political Action Committee.... which by the way ALPA has one of those already... how many of you put your money where your mouth is? 5 less cups of coffee per month gets the ALPA-PAC $120 a year.... with ~60,000 members that is 7.2 million per year to make the politicians see it our way.
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