Originally Posted by BlaineFaban

While all of these things certainly can be learned, they are merely a few examples of how we indeed do NOT do the same job. There is more to comparison than the "ease" you so callously refer to. Grow up junior.

Originally Posted by HIREME

There is one way to improve the regionals....stop voting yes on crap contracts. PNCL should be next up. MUST have a 12% raise across the board just to keep up with inflation...

Originally Posted by HIREME

2nd yr. FO pay has to jump to $34 MINIMUM...

Originally Posted by HIREME

MUST HAVE some form of retro--retro is MOST important...it is money in the bank...contracts can be conceeded...show me the $$$.

Originally Posted by HIREME

EX: This should bring 4th yr pay for CA to $67/hr (approx) on the 200 at 12% (didn't do the math, just est.)...We should try to raise the bar to at least $70...granted, pay rates aren't everything and soft money means a ton. But the rates grab the headlines.

Originally Posted by Flyby1206

We all put our uniform on the same way. Do you have this same pious attitude towards domestic mainline pilots flying an MD80/737 3-4 legs a day? If I fly a turboprop ATR 6 legs a day into Dominica, Anguilla, or Tortola do I meet your standards? How about a 16hr duty day after a Q400 into Aspen, Durango, Bozeman? Middle of winter a Saab into Presque Isle, Nantucket, or Binghampton? If mainline pilots continue to have the "us vs. them" attitude towards regional pilots then they will continue to watch mainline jobs vanish before their eyes.

Originally Posted by BoilerUP

You've claimed your job is harder. More dangerous. More stressful. You've gone so far to say regional pilots lose the "bigger schwartz" contest all day - and they're the ones that are arrogant? YGBSM!

Having never flown widebodies internationally, I say you're job isn't any harder, any more dangerous, any more stressful, than somebody flying an RJ or a Saab domestically in the US. Here's why:

The dangers and the risks in the two radically different types of flying (as the job itself - airplane Point A to Point B unscratched, is the exact same) differ greatly, but there's no way to quantify one being any "harder" or "easier" than the other because they are so different. One leg 8-12 hours with an augmented crew provides different issues and different risks than 6-8 legs per day. An issue you have with widebody flying is landing currency & proficency; an issue regional pilots have is complacency due to doing the same thing (up and down) over and over and over again.

It'd be really great if people could drop the f'in airline vs. military vs. corprate and regional vs. mainline crap and just acknowledge each segment of the industry is DIFFERENT - not any better or worse or harder or easier than another...

Originally Posted by BlaineFaban

You are not paying attention. Points off.

Originally Posted by BlaineFaban

You could probably say the same of you, oh CRJ900 captain. That's about the time you guys start to get arrogant--making captain on a CRJ. That brings up a whole other point: leaving the country--malaria and the various bugs which can get you out 'chonder. Yet another reason to demonstrate how the jobs are different, and thus higher compensation on the widebody.

The 63 year old will learn the saab much faster than the 22 year old will learn the mass management, worldwide ops, language tricks, weather phenomena, topography, metrics of the 777/767/A330.

We can play the bigger schwartz contest all day, and you'll lose. You've already missed the point, so why bother?

Originally Posted by BoilerUP

Pretty much the most intelligent post in the history of APF.

Originally Posted by BlaineFaban

You are not paying attention. Points off.

Originally Posted by BlaineFaban

Don't start believing your own hype. Your "buddy" may think that he has it easier than you, but the toll his body takes is a whole other matter. One that you don't comprehend.

The language barriers he fights on a daily basis is one you don't comprehend.

The knowledge that he possesses outside of an "international class" is that which you don't comprehend.

The body count in his airplane, and the associated revenue it and the cargo creates buries a 50 seat RJ.

The 737 pilot flying into Tegucigalpa does indeed possess extra skill which you do not comprehend.

Knowing what to do, and subsequently actually doing it when you have smoke in the cabin 2.5 hours from anything that is not water in the middle of the night is something the rj pilot does not comprehend.

Knowing which alternate is better for medical emergencies and which merely meet the minimums are things RJ pilots do not comprehend, and are not taught in "international ground school.

Knowing what to do with an engine failure over critical mountainous terrain is something that the vast majority of RJ pilots do not face daily.

Experience in the ITCZ is something that books and RJ pilots have not the experience with.


While all of these things certainly can be learned, they are merely a few examples of how we indeed do NOT do the same job. There is more to comparison than the "ease" you so callously refer to. Grow up junior.

Originally Posted by saab2000

Please.....

I get all of these things. I'm not 'junior'. Been in the airline world a long time. Been flying in and out of mountains my whole life (in Switzerland. What is that 737 approach you're talking about? Does it have a 6.5%+ GS?). Been dealing with international aviation issues my whole career. Flown to eastern Europe. Different languages. Blah blah blah....

Get over yourself. It ain't magic. It's just being in the right place at the right time and having the seniority to hold the heavy metal. You know it and everyone else knows it and your acting like flying across the ocean or Russia or Africa or South America is something that only the chosen few are capable of is complete folly.

Get over it.