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Old 05-20-2009 | 04:49 AM
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It's not just the airline industry that follows those rules. In fact, I can't think of any company, airline or not, having sick time that doesn't have this policy. It's to keep employees from abusing the sick time policy. Given the chance, a lot of people would take advantage of it.
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Old 05-20-2009 | 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Mason32
That email violates so many labor laws, and prior legal decisions that I wish it were my company that had sent it out.....
No. It doesn't. Please provide cites backing your claim.
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Old 05-20-2009 | 05:08 AM
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but just the same, if an airline pays $16,000 annually to first officers, then why should they expect anything better than slobs and idiots?
How about taking the high road and not playing that game ?
Then again having to deal with providing a Dr's note in order to come back to work is just so school like.


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Old 05-20-2009 | 05:20 AM
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The back of your medical is a note from a doctor saying that you can't fly if you are sick...fax them that and tell them to pound sand!
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Old 05-20-2009 | 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Dangling Unit
It's not just the airline industry that follows those rules. In fact, I can't think of any company, airline or not, having sick time that doesn't have this policy. It's to keep employees from abusing the sick time policy. Given the chance, a lot of people would take advantage of it.
I find the term "abusing sick time" amusing. How can you abuse something that you have earned? I find it hard to believe that most companies require sick notes when employees take sick time. I have never heard anyone I know outside of the industry having to do this in order to take a sick day.
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Old 05-20-2009 | 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by TristarJS30
Don't feel bad. I was legitimately sick with a head cold and called in sick for a trip (I was a line holder until the day I was furloughed) a week or two before I was getting furloughed.

Got a phone call from a Chief Pilot, who after hearing me talk goes: "Man, you sound awful. Hope you feel better." After about 10 seconds, he calls back and says he forgot to ask me for a Doctor's note.
Did you tell him to shove it up his keester? LOL!
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Old 05-20-2009 | 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by ImEbee
I find the term "abusing sick time" amusing. How can you abuse something that you have earned? I find it hard to believe that most companies require sick notes when employees take sick time. I have never heard anyone I know outside of the industry having to do this in order to take a sick day.
While I agree with your reasoning, be careful.

Sick time accrual is not treated as earned deferred income in the same manner as vacation under federal law. The courts have consistently ruled it is a benefit, with the amount in your bank being the maximum benefit the company will allow. If you leave the company, you should be paid accrued vacation, but baring contract language to the contrary you will not be paid sick bank.
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Old 05-20-2009 | 06:32 AM
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Let me start by saying, "if you are sick, call in sick!" Don't fly sick. Any day and time, use your sick time when you are sick.

Now the other side of the story: why do employers ask for notes on holidays? Because pilots too junior to get the day off call in sick- when they are not sick. Sure, you can be sick on a holiday, but we all know the sick calls spike around holidays, superbowls, weekends, snowstorms, etc. Ask any reserve pilot. They will always work the above days. You think you're sticking it to the company, but in reality, you are screwing a fellow pilot.

If you're sick, call in sick. If you're not, work your own pairing.

Yes, I'm on reserve.
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Old 05-20-2009 | 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by B00sted
"As is the custom on holidays, please be aware that a Doctor's note validating any absences during the upcoming weekend to include Saturday, Sunday, Memorial Day and the day after will be required."
And we will be extending this policy to include all weekends and all holidays that result in three day weekends.

Originally Posted by B00sted
Pay us like a child, treat us like child, but expect us to be professionals...
Now you're getting it.
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Old 05-20-2009 | 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by ImEbee
I find the term "abusing sick time" amusing. How can you abuse something that you have earned? I find it hard to believe that most companies require sick notes when employees take sick time. I have never heard anyone I know outside of the industry having to do this in order to take a sick day.
I have. My wife used to work for Walmart (All hail, death to Walmart) corporate and they have a policy that states that if you call in sick the day before or after a holiday, you will not be paid for that day (regardless of if you're salary or not) unless you are sick for at least two days, at which point you will need a Dr.'s not to verify it.

These policies really a put everyone in a tough situation. I think they are put in place to "keep honest people honest." Similar to car alarms. If there is any sort of threat of consequences or deterrent, most people won't commit the "crime." But without anything to deter people, everyone would call in sick all the time.

This industry is so different from the rest of the world in so many ways, including this. Most non-aviation companies have sick leave and personal leave or just one bank for personal leave and you use it however you need. We don't get personal leave so most people use sick leave as both.

As for pay vs. professional, unfortunately, these are two independent issues. We should all act and look professional regardless of our pay - that is part of being an airline pilot and any professional pilot... plain and simple. But unfortunately, we will be paid regardless of our actions and appearance. Don't think that pay will automatically increase just because the entire pilot world looks and acts professionally. This, however, should not dictate your professionalism.
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