Originally Posted by rjjunkie

oh yeah...whispering sweet nothingness into your head. Now, shouldn't you be over on the Mokulele forums defending BB in Hukahukakumonaiwannalaya or whatever or are you strictly midwest now? Actually...looks like your furloughed, "why don't you just hang back and stretch?"

Anyone on here know when tduck is headed over to MKE to pick up his 190? When's that go in effect for Tduck... because because i have a feeling there will be no stopping him gunnin' for the big one in MKE and i want to see his Sh*t eating grin from those big windows high over the rest of the world.... or wherever midwest goes that is. miss u

Originally Posted by utedrummer

Put your money where your mouth is. Where are you forming a line?

Originally Posted by ToiletDuck

I won't speak on behalf of any pilot that works here but I have no guilt and I don't owe anyone anything. I didn't take any flying. My company didn't take any flying. The pilots at Midwest gave it away just like the other majors have over the years which is why we have 170s. The pilots at Midwest voted on a contract that didn't have scope protection. I don't know what was expected from that but here's what lack of foresight earns you. CAL and SWA have the best scope protection in the industry and it shows. Due to their pilots taking a stand on these issues they get to reap the rewards.... Sorry but I don't owe you anything 320toBearz. I never did and I don't feel the others here do either. Considering your public denouncement of all those here I think the industry is better without people of your caliber/professionalism and I won't lose an ounce of sleep if I never see you in it again.

Originally Posted by boeingboy1

Instead of wondering if a RAH guy might not get hired by your legacy carrier - you should be concerned more with keeping your job, pay and benefits that are overpriced by today's market.

Originally Posted by utedrummer

I am a furloughed RAH pilot, next on the recall list and, as crappy as it is, looking at the possibility of getting a job back with these 190s coming on board.

However should Midwest Pilots show up to the airport in uniform with picket signs on the day I'm called back (or any other day for that matter) I will stand beside them, in full RAH uniform with my picket sign. For once, stop blowing your mouths off on a forum and DO SOMETHING!! Midwest guys, hell any pilot out there that is sick of this... where are you?? where are your signs??? where is you line??? How can you expect us (RAH pilots) to be able the carry the entire weight of your indifference and overall apathy of this industry?

Please stop blaming us for this sh!tfest.
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil (management) is that good men (pilots) do nothing.


and here we are in the industry...what do you suppose has happened to get us here??

Originally Posted by Purpleanga

Wow honestly toiletduck I would stop posting on this matter because you're losing credibility on each and every post. On the above paragraph replace Midwest with TSA and pretend like you are a Gojet pilot. It's exactly the same argument, scope. You will be shocked at your rationalization. All of the above is the standard BS argument of an appeaser. You don't even fly a 170 and you're defending the RAH replacement workers for the 270 or more mainline pilots.

Originally Posted by Ratherbeoffwork

Nothing about us is anything like TSA and Gojet. It's been said many times before. The pilots at Gojet had a choice to go there knowing what they were doing to others. We found out in a press release a few days ago and are trying to stop this from happenening with the union. So it may take some time, but we will make this right. So until you have something constructive to say that might help bring up the bar in this industry, please stop throwing dirt and bringing the bar down in this industry. Refer to my last post and help me, tell me what Exactly we can do to fix this situation.

Originally Posted by alvrb211

Let me know when you've been part of a pilot group who's real sacrafice, integrity, and resolve has raised the bar for all. Then, we'll share some common ground.

Originally Posted by Beechlover

I've been in this industry now for 3 years. Been reading the boards quite a bit in that time as well. To be honest.., based on what I've seen, and read, and heard, I feel that this "solidarity" so many speak of is a myth, or at the very least a reality I will never see in this industry based on the apathy and indifference that exist. That and the "I got mine crowd" seem to me to be the biggest impediment to bringing any solidarity to this profession. We need a fundemental paradigm shift before any EFFECTIVE change will occur. Not likely to occur in my opinion. At this point in my career, my priorities are my health, my family, my career.

At no point in any of these threads have I felt the true spirit of solidarity that compelled me to change my actions with regards to doing my job or make a self sacrifice (read: fall on my own sword) so that those higher in seniority could continue to enjoy job security, prestige and, great pay. Sorry that's how I see it.

With regard to the E-190, do you seriously think that ANY pilot who cares about their family, their livelyhood, and being out on the street in THIS economy, Is gonna ACTUALLY refuse to fly it??? I don't know what world these folks live in, but I tend to focus on the real world.Employment at the "Legacy Carriers" is becoming less and less attractive to me these days. Don't think I'm gonna be heading in that direction. Threats are a little school yard don't ya think?

Pilots don't get to choose what aircraft their airlines fly, MANAGEMENT AND THE MARKETS make those decisions. THE ONLY thing we AS pilots have control over is the speed and altitude we chose to go from A to B. Not crazy about every decision thats been made by this airline's management, but that's life in the 121 world.

If or when it comes my time to fly the E 190, don't expect me to fall on my own sword. That is unless we all collectively intend to provide us (pilots who refuse to fly it) with either the unemployment income or another job..., any takers.., didn't think so.., so much for "solidarity."

I'm gonna continue to do my job as I would expect any professional pilot to do. If it makes you all happy, when or if our union ever gets it's collective self together, we'll see about better pay. Don't hold your breath. So there it is.., do with this what you will. Don't get me wrong, I love my profession, myjob and the folks I fly with, hell I even like who I fly for (RAH).

Imagine that, a pilot who actually enjoys working for the airline he flys for, what a concept.

Originally Posted by Purpleanga

It wasn't about GJ/TSA I was talking about his appeaser mentality. And actually you're right the GJ thing doesn't hold a candle to regionals flying mainline it's about 100 times worse because of the implications. You guys will be bottom of the barrel. Stop the company from flying the 190s. You have a union don't you? You do have a choice. But anyways you're one of those guys celebrating and after about 200 posts nothing is getting through to you that you will be considered scum and that you company is going to seal the fate of the regionals in the years to come as well as the majors for that matter.