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Old 05-29-2009 | 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyJSH
Those of you who think this is no big deal, imagine if you found out the surgeon working on your loved one had ordered a tv installed in the operating room.
Imagine if that heart surgeon got paid 16 grand a year.
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Old 05-29-2009 | 10:40 PM
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I'm surprised they don't moon or flip off the passengers on the way in. It's an insult. I guarantee - if you pay them like professionals, they will be MUCH more likely to act like them.[/font]


Explain the AA captain who was caught drunk trying to go to work last week!!! he was being paid like a "professional" What should be the ongoing rate for a professional anyways?
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Old 05-29-2009 | 10:41 PM
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Can anybody recommend a professional-looking tent that can be set up on carpeted floors with a minimum of fuss?

If I'm going to be sleeping in the JFK terminal several nights a month I would like maintain my professional standards by not doing so openly, such as laying across the public seating.
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Old 05-29-2009 | 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by meeko031
Explain the AA captain who was caught drunk trying to go to work last week!!! he was being paid like a "professional" What should be the ongoing rate for a professional anyways?
Exceptions to every rule, friend. But look at the staggering majority of people that get paid 55 grand a year or more, and compare them to those that make less than 30... Which group will be more likely to dress nice, present themselves well, and/or not be addicted to drugs?
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Old 05-29-2009 | 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan64456
Exceptions to every rule, friend. But look at the staggering majority of people that get paid 55 grand a year or more, and compare them to those that make less than 30... Which group will be more likely to dress nice, present themselves well, and/or not be addicted to drugs?
In general, people making $55,000 a year don't try to pees off the boss because they don't care about getting fired.

If people feel they are fairly compensated for their time, skills, and efforts, they are more likely to take care of the customer.

People who feel appreciated by management are more likely to appreciate their job, boss, and co-workers in return.

People who are paid well will try to keep a good thing going and devote large amounts of personal effort and sacrifice to that end.

People making 55,000 a year don't say "screw this place, I could be making more at McDonalds", they say "How do I take care of this golden goose?".

These statements are in general; there are always exceptions.

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People working for $20,000 may be less inclined to raise the bar on a daily basis.

Someone at this level who shows up in a clean, ironed uniform and busts his hump all day will soon be promoted or move on to better things. But after several years without a raise or promotion, this guy will stop getting up at 5am to shine his shoes before work.

Someone who sees his benefits cut repeatedly and is ordered to work more hours for less pay will begin to see his employer as a tyrant and will not lift a finger to save the company.

People who are told they are just a number will see their customers as just a number.

People making $20,000 will do the minimum required, because it is McDonalds pay and everyone has worked at McDonalds and has seen firsthand that doing the minimum expected is good enough for 95% of the workforce.

My 2 cents.
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Old 05-30-2009 | 12:10 AM
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Speaking of doctors my Sister is a nurse at Stanford University and she makes 37 dollars per hour. Times 40 hours per week...ummmhmmmm....carry the 2 = WAY MORE THAN AN F'D O!


America.....Is viewed much differently from an immigrants perspective.....They're just happy to be here.....

As for the professional thing goes...How professional is it to be treated like a second class citizen by your employer/management.
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Old 05-30-2009 | 12:35 AM
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For some of you older guys out there - don't fret. I'm a 31 year old regional captain, and I hear what you are saying and couldn't agree more. Sure, I make an OK living. But I'm a professional not due to my compensation, but because I have a desire to to a good job. I have self respect. I want to be a good example for my son. I take pride in doing a good job. These are reasons enough.

I feel it is necessary to press my pants and iron my own shirt. I feel the need to wear my hat. I do these things because I take pride in my work. I want others to see that I take pride in it as well. I keep my flight case void of stickers because I don't feel it is an advertising space. I stand up straight and walk with a purpose.

Was I in the military? No. A boy scout? Never.

If I choose to point a finger, than I point it at myself. If there is a problem, that's where the problem usually begins.

When I am told by a first officer that he/she has enjoyed flying with me, I know my job is done. I leave work with a smile on my face and the hope that I have convinced one more pilot to be a professional.

So don't worry old timers, there are a small group of us out there quietly trying to do our best to save this once great profession.

Matt S.
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Thank you.

(The only stickers on my bag are aircraft related, union related, or in honor of those who I have worked with who died on the job)

I am a 44 year old FO who, when I was a CFI, argued with my coworkers that taking a job flying 30-50 passengers for less than flying a 152 and giving instruction was crazy. Back then, in 1997, the response I got was "I will earn more in the long run".

So be it.

I foolishly thought instructing, hauling freight in a Caravan, and flying an air ambulance in a 421 would make me attractive to a major. I was wrong.

So be it.

So now, a decade later, I took an FO job flying 340s (an old fashioned puddle jumper job) making 40% of what I made flying a 421.

So be it.

I had to bite the bullet and go back to starvation wages (not the rate I established), learn 121 regs, and learn to fly a transport category aircraft.

So be it.

I did so with eyes wide open. I cannot change the system by myself. But even though I was unhappy with my wage (the going rate), I still wore a freshly pressed uniform (at least the the beginning of the day) and worked to provide my passengers a safe, legal, prudent, and on time flight. When I accepted crappy pay, I did so with the intent of being a professional.


So call me a sell out. Call me a fool. Call me a pawn in the game that gave commuter/regional pilots low wages.

But NEVER call me unprofessional.

AND IF YOU WANT TO BE A PROFESSIONAL, ACT LIKE ONE! YOU TOOK THE JOB KNOWING THE WAGE. REALIZING AFTER THE FACT YOU CANT PAY YOUR BILLS DOES NOT RELIEVE YOU OF YOUR RESPONSIBLY TO YOUR PASSENGERS.

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Old 05-30-2009 | 04:38 AM
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[quote=FlyJSH;619434]So call me a sell out. Call me a fool. Call me a pawn in the game that gave commuter/regional pilots low wages.

Sell Out! Fool!!! PAWN IN THE GAME!!!!!
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Old 05-30-2009 | 04:48 AM
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In fact, I have never known such a professional sell-out fool. Without you, the regional jets would not fly.
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Old 05-30-2009 | 05:21 AM
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FlyJSH my hat off to you!

I have been reading some of those posts and this is really pathetic. You guys are complaining about something you fully knew before joining! So what? You thought it would improve after? Booohooo! You accept a job with a very low pay then deal with it and stop complaining.

I know a couple of fellow pilots who refused to make the jump at a time when it was popular to join the regionals. Where are those guys now? Flying for XOjet, NetJets and the FAA.
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