Lack of professionalism (an example)
05-30-2009 | 11:30 AM
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I find it really hard to believe that AIRLINE PILOTS actually try to justify being unprofessional! There is no excuse for acting like a child in view of the public, whether you're flying or working at Wal-Mart. As a customer (and as a pilot who is sitting on the sidelines right now) I can only say that such behavior would make me question the dedication of those crews. If you can't deal with the hardships that you afforded yourself by taking the job, then with all due respect - get out!
05-30-2009 | 11:37 AM
#82
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From: Embraer Left
Lets talk professionalism.
Let's talk about professional standards, and lets talk about open dialogue. Lets talk about walking over to the gate and grabbing a tail number, and a time. Let's talk about gathering information, and conveying it. Once that's done, let's talk to the crew and make sure that we uphold our jobs high.
Nah, lets just get on a public forum and bash some RJ drivers. Pot meet kettle pal......
Let's talk about professional standards, and lets talk about open dialogue. Lets talk about walking over to the gate and grabbing a tail number, and a time. Let's talk about gathering information, and conveying it. Once that's done, let's talk to the crew and make sure that we uphold our jobs high.
Nah, lets just get on a public forum and bash some RJ drivers. Pot meet kettle pal......
An open note to the Shuttle America crew arriving KATL gate B20 on May 29th:
Maybe you don't really care about how the airline pilot profession is perceived - that certainly appears to be the case. Even if you don't respect yourself, please quit embarrassing the rest of us.
I really am not sure what part of having newspapers all over the glareshield as you taxied into the gate seemed like a good idea: Maybe you want the traveling public to know you are well informed. Perhaps you are keeping a canary in the cockpit and are using it as a liner. Maybe you are just too lazy to put it away. I don't know and frankly, I don't give a damn.
When you do things like this, YOU LOOK LIKE CLOWNS!!! It was not unnoticed (and commented on) by several passengers sitting in the food court next to the gate (and I can assure you, they weren't impressed by your devotion to current events). I've read dozens upon dozens of posts by regional pilots bemoaning the way they are perceived by both the traveling public and fellow aviators. No one else will respect you if you don't present a professional image. Also, I'm guessing if an FAA inspector had been passing by, he would have been less than impressed as well - but hey, maybe you really don't value the job that much.
It’s not like we’re debating wearing your i-Pod in the terminal – this tells everyone who looks at your aircraft, “I really don’t pay attention to the aircraft while I’m flying – I just kick back and read the paper, the autopilot will get us there.” Don’t bother explaining workload in cruise to me, I know – this was on the glareshield taxiing into the gate.
If you're a Shuttle America pilot and it wasn't you, please do what you can to shame your co-workers into displaying a bit more professionalism.
Rant temporarily suspended . . .
Maybe you don't really care about how the airline pilot profession is perceived - that certainly appears to be the case. Even if you don't respect yourself, please quit embarrassing the rest of us.
I really am not sure what part of having newspapers all over the glareshield as you taxied into the gate seemed like a good idea: Maybe you want the traveling public to know you are well informed. Perhaps you are keeping a canary in the cockpit and are using it as a liner. Maybe you are just too lazy to put it away. I don't know and frankly, I don't give a damn.
When you do things like this, YOU LOOK LIKE CLOWNS!!! It was not unnoticed (and commented on) by several passengers sitting in the food court next to the gate (and I can assure you, they weren't impressed by your devotion to current events). I've read dozens upon dozens of posts by regional pilots bemoaning the way they are perceived by both the traveling public and fellow aviators. No one else will respect you if you don't present a professional image. Also, I'm guessing if an FAA inspector had been passing by, he would have been less than impressed as well - but hey, maybe you really don't value the job that much.
It’s not like we’re debating wearing your i-Pod in the terminal – this tells everyone who looks at your aircraft, “I really don’t pay attention to the aircraft while I’m flying – I just kick back and read the paper, the autopilot will get us there.” Don’t bother explaining workload in cruise to me, I know – this was on the glareshield taxiing into the gate.
If you're a Shuttle America pilot and it wasn't you, please do what you can to shame your co-workers into displaying a bit more professionalism.
Rant temporarily suspended . . .
05-30-2009 | 12:38 PM
#83
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From: Thrill Seat
Lets talk professionalism.
Let's talk about professional standards, and lets talk about open dialogue. Lets talk about walking over to the gate and grabbing a tail number, and a time. Let's talk about gathering information, and conveying it. Once that's done, let's talk to the crew and make sure that we uphold our jobs high.
Nah, lets just get on a public forum and bash some RJ drivers. Pot meet kettle pal......
Let's talk about professional standards, and lets talk about open dialogue. Lets talk about walking over to the gate and grabbing a tail number, and a time. Let's talk about gathering information, and conveying it. Once that's done, let's talk to the crew and make sure that we uphold our jobs high.
Nah, lets just get on a public forum and bash some RJ drivers. Pot meet kettle pal......
Well I'm glad I read all nine pages of this thread because you beat me to comment... I think commenting on a public forum instead of talking with your fellow comrads is the unproffesional act in this case... but then again I guess if pilots were paid more we would have thought of this first
05-30-2009 | 12:41 PM
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From: LeftSeat PA-44
Lets talk professionalism.
Let's talk about professional standards, and lets talk about open dialogue. Lets talk about walking over to the gate and grabbing a tail number, and a time. Let's talk about gathering information, and conveying it. Once that's done, let's talk to the crew and make sure that we uphold our jobs high.
Nah, lets just get on a public forum and bash some RJ drivers. Pot meet kettle pal......
Let's talk about professional standards, and lets talk about open dialogue. Lets talk about walking over to the gate and grabbing a tail number, and a time. Let's talk about gathering information, and conveying it. Once that's done, let's talk to the crew and make sure that we uphold our jobs high.
Nah, lets just get on a public forum and bash some RJ drivers. Pot meet kettle pal......
05-30-2009 | 01:16 PM
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I dunno... the best thing you can do for your fellow aviators who may not be projecting an air of professionalism in their day job (think, saying "gigity" on the PA during announcements), is to either talk to them or ProStan. Pro Stan isn't there to get you in trouble (the first time around at least).... they are there to be a "third party" voice that says, "hey you might want to be careful about saying this or doing that lest someone with the power to fire you sees or hears the action."
05-30-2009 | 02:19 PM
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From: Embraer Left
Nope, just a fairly junior line guy. I get tired of the mainline guys looking down their noses at all of us. Were else are we supposed to start off....and where else are we supposed to learn the trade? Gone are the days of finding your way through the military...and we all know that the days are long gone of direct hiring into the majors.
Granted, newspaper....or (my guess) charts are way out of line.......there is a way to deal with it.....and this place isn't it.
Granted, newspaper....or (my guess) charts are way out of line.......there is a way to deal with it.....and this place isn't it.
05-30-2009 | 07:19 PM
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From: E145 Gear Swinger
I didn't get past this post, so someone may have already responded and said this stuff. If you DON'T give 100%, why should the company pay you more? You signed on for your job knowing what you were required to do and, since RAH hasn't taken a pay cut, you knew how much they were going to pay you to do said job. Therefore, taking a little pride in your work should be toward the top of your priority list, and that would involve giving 100%, or close to it at least. But you said you understand both sides of this double-edged sword, so you shouldn't have to have that explained to you.
I think part of the reason that a higher percentage of mainline pilots than regional pilots act professional is because they're held accountable by each other. The senior guys don't put up with a bunch of bull*******, and the new junior guys know that, so they straighten up their act in a hurry. You can still have a blast at this job and act professional. It is entirely possible.
On a different note though, I too wish some of these guys would remember that they weren't born holding their ATP, 777 type, and 20,000 hours...
Just reading backwards through these posts, and I hope nobody has ever said "giggady" on their PA announcements...
05-30-2009 | 07:35 PM
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Today - May 29. I have deliberately left out any other specific details as I feel it would be inappropriate to identify a specific crew (thereby eliminating plausible denyability should someone from their management learn of this.
Duck, you can call me a drama queen if you want, but I was taught a long time ago that people's perception of you is affected by how you present yourself. Frankly, I'm tired of direction this profession has been headed for a while now (yes, now I'm a crochety old coot), and how eagerly many help this deterioration out.
I understand doing something to shield the cockpit from the sun - IN CRUISE! Put the crap out of view at top, don't leave it laying out as you taxi in. And for the record, it didn't look like leftover heat shield - it had every appearance of the entire paper (multiple sections) strewn across the glareshield. Guys taxiing in wearing a ballcap - I don't care for it, but that's a COMPLETELY different image than a newspaper all over - at least the guy in the ball cap MIGHT have been paying attention to the flight. Of course, the public knows nothing could go wrong with no one watching the aircraft - I mean you could never bleed off 50+ knots and get into a stall... oh wait, I guess you could.
Duck, you can call me a drama queen if you want, but I was taught a long time ago that people's perception of you is affected by how you present yourself. Frankly, I'm tired of direction this profession has been headed for a while now (yes, now I'm a crochety old coot), and how eagerly many help this deterioration out.
I understand doing something to shield the cockpit from the sun - IN CRUISE! Put the crap out of view at top, don't leave it laying out as you taxi in. And for the record, it didn't look like leftover heat shield - it had every appearance of the entire paper (multiple sections) strewn across the glareshield. Guys taxiing in wearing a ballcap - I don't care for it, but that's a COMPLETELY different image than a newspaper all over - at least the guy in the ball cap MIGHT have been paying attention to the flight. Of course, the public knows nothing could go wrong with no one watching the aircraft - I mean you could never bleed off 50+ knots and get into a stall... oh wait, I guess you could.
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