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Old 05-30-2009 | 07:48 PM
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I find it funny all the people who say "pay us like professionals and we will act like proffesionals". What a cop out. It's an excuse to act like an idiot. How about "act like a proffesional and maybe you will be paid like a proffesional". It goes both ways people.
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Old 05-30-2009 | 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by 145Driver
and I hope nobody has ever said "giggady" on their PA announcements...
Only when announcing that we'll be pushing a headwind.
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Old 05-30-2009 | 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Colnago
Some random girl asked me, while I was deadheading, if after the airplane was on autopilot the pilots would start playing cards or something. The perception is at an all-time low. Yikes.
The 400 ft call out is "Autopilot ON" and "Cut the deck"


Originally Posted by Joachim
Pay and respect has EVERYTHING to do with professionalism. I you don't pay us like professionals; you wont get professionals. Quit the cop out, sell out fricki'n self degrading BS talk!!!

So you want to complain to your passengers about your pay by looking like a slob (maybe not you but others have mentioned this)? Is the passenger going to write you a check for the what the airfare should have been so you could get paid more?

No. Keep the dispute between you and management. To your passengers, you are the person who is going to keep them safe or fly their unaccompanied sons/daughters to their destinations safely. They deserve the reassurance. Give management hell and make them sweat, but not your pax.

If there is a reason the American public is ignorant about the plight of the regional airline pilots, blame ALPA's PR department.


Poprocket, RatherBeFishing, FlyJSH -- Bravo!


Originally Posted by 8HourPilot
Lets talk professionalism.

Let's talk about professional standards,...
Regardless of your opinion of the first thread, the last 10 pages of post (particularly the childish ones) seem to indicate that a discussion on professionalism was really needed.

So, for all of you Captains, if on Day 1 of 4, your FO showed up with a wrinkled shirt and pants, would you say something to this person about it? Or would you say something about their technique of telling ATC "SEE YAAAA" in that deep voice -- honestly, I have no idea how to discribe the voice except that it's load, deep, and the syllables are all slurred together.
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Old 05-30-2009 | 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by milky
Maybe you should make it a dictionary and a 5th grade book on grammar. That would be a good start if you want anybody to take you seriously as a professional.
I was thinking the same thing! Funny stuff!
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Old 05-30-2009 | 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by AAflyer
Excellent post!!! But what is the attitude of people that work for 16K.

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I can't speak for everyone, but MY attitude is always positive. I knew what I was getting into when I accepted the job.
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Old 05-30-2009 | 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by deadstick35
If there is a reason the American public is ignorant about the plight of the regional airline pilots, blame ALPA's PR department.
ALPA's what?!

On a bright note... there was some hope for the pilot career a while back - majors offered money, work rules, retirement, etc.

Nowadays... you have to ask yourself - why spend so much money to become a pilot only to make poverty level wages and almost never be able to repay your loan?

This whole media frenzy about regional airline pilots should be exploited BY INDIVIDUAL regional pilots (since ALPA is impotent and incompetent) to not just educate the public about the plight, but educate prospective future students who just don't know what they're getting into, while this is in the spotlight.

As long as there's a perception of a big payoff later on, you'll have people lining up for the job. No payoff at the end... might as well point them elsewhere to make more money and buy a CE-210 or something to buzz around on weekends for fun.
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Old 05-31-2009 | 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by 8HourPilot
Nope, just a fairly junior line guy. I get tired of the mainline guys looking down their noses at all of us. Were else are we supposed to start off....and where else are we supposed to learn the trade? Gone are the days of finding your way through the military...and we all know that the days are long gone of direct hiring into the majors.

Granted, newspaper....or (my guess) charts are way out of line.......there is a way to deal with it.....and this place isn't it.
I'll say it again since you obviously weren't paying attention the first time:

1) I was eating alone and not going to leave my food/bags unattended (remember that rule, or were you asleep in indoc that day).

2) I deliberately chose not to post identifying information for reasons already explained. Re-read the thread.

3) I was not a chart. Also already covered.

I have nothing against the regionals (nor am I a mainline pilot, not that that would change the truth), I have a number of friends who work for the regionals. Yes, everyone has to start somewhere. They should probably be learning to act in a professional manner while they are starting - if now when will they learn it? You chose to enter a career field where professionalism is expected - if you can't handle that then maybe this isn't the career for you.

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Old 05-31-2009 | 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Ratherbeoffwork
Ok. So are you saying it's ok to read the paper in cruise? Just as long as the pax don't know about it? So if we keep it a secret from them and they think were not reading the paper, then we're then deemed professional? So, as an MD-11 FO, were you jumpseating on this flight at gate B20 in ATL? Because I don't think DAL or anyone that could nonrev on this flight flies MD11's. Maybe the professional thing you could have done was told the crew they forgot their newspaper in the on the dash, and not called out an entire pilot group on a public board. That, my fellow pilot, was unprofessional.
No, I was not jumpseating. Re-read the post. I WAS EATING!!! I've covered this more than once now - how many times do I have to repeat it. By all means, make me this issue and not the actions of this crew.

You are also trying to change the topic by getting into reading the paper in cruise - I'm not talking about that (though I personally don't do it). Try and stay on topic.
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Old 05-31-2009 | 06:39 AM
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The Moose just shakes his head in dis-belief.
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Old 05-31-2009 | 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by bcrosier
No, I was not jumpseating. Re-read the post. I WAS EATING!!! I've covered this more than once now - how many times do I have to repeat it. By all means, make me this issue and not the actions of this crew.

You are also trying to change the topic by getting into reading the paper in cruise - I'm not talking about that (though I personally don't do it). Try and stay on topic.
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