US Carriers Defend Pilot Pay After...
06-20-2009, 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by mjarosz
June 17 (Bloomberg) Rebecca Shaw, 24, copilot of the Pinnacle Airlines Corp. Colgan plane that crashed, earned $23,900 a year, the carrier has said.
I think we should see the pay stub for the true number.
Federal Aviation Administration chief Randy Babbitt questioned June 15 whether such pay attracts “the best and the brightest.”
They don't want the best and brightest they want the pawns that will do as they are told as cheaply as they can get them!
Commuter carrier copilots on average earn $32,000, “in line with comparable professions,”
What, what proffesion that you paid 50,000 to 100,000 to become part of do you earn $32,000? Please someone help me here?
Roger Cohen, president of the Regional Airline Association
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“We’re trying to do it on the cheap,” said Senator Mike Johanns, a Nebraska Republican. “We are hiring pilots at a very low wage.”
Senator Frank Lautenberg, a New Jersey Democrat, called the pay “modest” and said that at $20,000, a pilot would be close to earning “minimum wage, for any kind of job.”
Democrats and Republicans finally agree on something, I was loosing hope on the whole bunch of em.
Such pay may force pilots to take second jobs, increasing the risk they show up for airline work tired, Lautenberg said.
Ya think? We qualify for food stamps for cryin out loud!
Comparable Professions
Copilot pay is in line with comparable professions such as a paramedic or medical assistant, Cohen said.
And these folks are away from their families 180 days a year while all the while trying to keep the heat on food on the table and repay student loans. I'll answer, no they are NOT! Paramedics are underpaid as well. When a Union Carpenter makes more then a pilot there is something wrong. And its not that the Carpenter is over paid.
Captains at regional carriers earn an average of $76,000, he said. Pinnacle has said the average salary for a captain on the type of plane that crashed in Buffalo is $67,000.
You'd need to be a 9 year captain on the Q400 to make that money. How many of those are at Colgan?
This jerk is out of line, who is speaking for us?
06-20-2009, 02:53 PM
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Are medical assistants trained to the same level as the doctor they assist? Do they switch off performing surgeries with the doctor, assistant does one doctor does one? Do medical assistants have a Medical PhD and do everything a doctor does? What a load of horse ****!
06-20-2009, 03:21 PM
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Medical assistants huh? Aren't they the ones who take a 12 month course advertised at 2 am? If I'm not mistaken they are the ones who my urine sample and hold the strip against the jar. And we compare to them how?
06-20-2009, 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ImEbee
Medical assistants huh? Aren't they the ones who take a 12 month course advertised at 2 am? If I'm not mistaken they are the ones who my urine sample and hold the strip against the jar. And we compare to them how?
06-20-2009, 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by jedinein
RAA had to expand the comparison to encompass FOs. They included EMTs, Medical Assistants, Dead People, and Fast Food Workers.
06-20-2009, 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by shfo
Rebecca's taxable income was $16,000. Including per diem she made $23,900. That is how that figure came about.
In 2001, my friend who is an EMT in Tacoma, WA made $90K.
In 2001, my friend who is an EMT in Tacoma, WA made $90K.
Colgan management did not originally argue the figure, and eventually settled on $23,900, which I assume included her overguarantee, but should not have included per diem.
The bottom line is a first year Colgan F/O is expected to live on $18,900 a year before taxes, before uniform expenses, before per diem, before overtime and before any other income adjustments are made. ($21 x 75 hour guarantee x 12 bid periods) This is the minimum salary, and there are no guarantees one will make any more than that. Per diem is not income, it's a reimbursement for the expenses we incur while on business.
06-20-2009, 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by willflyforfood
I think FO pay should be $1 per seat per hour, and captains should be paid 150% of that. We are worth at least $1 per seat. So 50 seats, $50/hr. The end
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