I sure dont miss those days..

 

Then a limit on the number of legs per day so the prop guys don't get screwed?

I think 8 flight 12 duty would really destroy QOL for the majority of pilots. A 9 or 10 flight with 12 duty could get a lot of that back so we don't get less days off per month or make less money.

There is obviously no easy solution.

 

I know all companies are different and it seems like we (XJT) have some long sits built in to the pairings. But I just looked at my next 6 4-day trips and only 3 had a day with more than 12:00 of duty, and the worst one was 12:05. We don't have any duty rigs, either. A little tweaking and I'd be under 12:00. So although, there may be some changes, it is possible to fly the same amount as we do now and not lose any days off.

Just my $0.02.

 

It looks like there no one standard reaction.

 

I was always told by some major airline pilots that were neighbors, that better use of crews(more efficient/effective schedule) was a big problem. I think if the pilots have a good union, the pilots will keep their pay and the company will be forced to create better schedules.

 

I'm shocked that I'm reading opposition to a rumored 12 hour duty day limitation amongst professional pilots (though I'm not surprised it is found in this area of the forum). How short-sighted and selfish have we become?

Is your first priority safety, QOL, or pay?

It should be safety. You don't earn much and your quality of LIFE goes downhill really fast if you're in an aircraft accident, especially if you sit in the pointy end, which goes in first. Personal fatigue has proven hard to recognize in scientific studies, but easy to prevent - start each duty period well rested.

For most regional pilots, a 12 hour duty day maximum may mean a pay cut perhaps, primarily b/c regionals don't build their own flight schedules, they are given flights to operate by mainline. Mainline schedules them so that they benefit mainline's efficiency, not your airline's efficiency. Don't like it - don't fly for a regional, there are thousands who will take your place (and, if you work for a regional, your pay is low and there's a pretty good chance your QOL isn't all that great anyway unless you're senior and living in base).

Get a duty rig, increase max days off per bid, increase pay, or increase min guarantee in your next contract. In the mean time, enjoy the extra time @ the hotel, knowing that when you fly you will have the opportunity to be well rested, and therefore a safer pilot. This benefits all the people you fly over each day (the citizens of this country), the government, the industry, your fellow pilots, your passengers, your family, your crew, and, most importantly, YOU.

 

Not quite sure how you meant that I hope the price is not as high as the passengers in buffalo, or maybe Lexington. It always seems like everyone is quick to point out how it will effect their wallet not the lives of the folks you are supposed to be safely flying...once again maybe I read that wrong and you meant safety first

 

Hi!

I am flying under Kenyan CAA Intntl rules. 15 hour duty day/15 hour flight day. MINIMUM rest is 11 hours, non-reduceable. If you actually have a 15 hour day, it is 17 hours of rest (16 for a 14 hour day).

cliff
NBO

 

Ahh how about a min pay/leg. $100 Captains $75 F/O's.

Sure go ahead and schedule me for 8 legs.

We can do it. It might be the beer talking but... the old pay/flight hour is old. We need pay/duty time.

 

I'll buy that for a dollar!