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Joachim 08-21-2009 10:50 AM


Originally Posted by Bear392 (Post 666038)
I'm not silver yet, but sometimes feel like it. If you read a little farther down is what everybody has their panties bunched about.

“Expediency”
The only pilot groups not to have pilots on furlough is Mokulele and Lynx. Midwest will have another 41 pilots on furlough September 1st, with all of their pilots on the street by December 15th. Furloughed pilots from Midwest and Frontier cannot bid for an open slot until they are on the RAH Seniority List. However, for integration purposes, pilots who were active at the time of acquisition will be considered active for the Master Seniority List. It is the resolve of all Integration Committees to get this completed as quickly as possible so we can begin to get all of our furloughees back on property.


So what about the guys that have been there 15 years plus and now are on the street, behind the 1 year RAH fo?

Obviously some things have to be left to interpretation and negotiation which is why the process isn't automatic. However, you can't say that the above scenario is fair nor equittable. I do not care who you are. Simply talking to my coworkers confirms that they share my view. Straight DOH probably won't happen either.

Bear392 08-21-2009 11:14 AM


Originally Posted by Joachim (Post 666062)
Obviously some things have to be left to interpretation and negotiation which is why the process isn't automatic. However, you can't say that the above scenario is fair nor equittable. I do not care who you are. Simply talking to my coworkers confirms that they share my view. Straight DOH probably won't happen either.


I have not seen one YX pilot ask for or expect DOH, however can you guys at RAH say no one is looking to staple most or all YX pilots.

Killer51883 08-21-2009 11:25 AM

what do you suggest we do with the 300 YX and 100 F9 guys on the street? As our fleet stands now, there is not enough work for all of them and all the currently employed RAH pilots. Is if fair and equitable for them to bump the bottom RAH guys onto the street and send them to places like HNL or GSO to be FO's on reserve? The company and union are talking about growth with the airbus's and 190's so should we limit those positions to the furloghed guys so they can get first dibs on them? Either way there will be upset people. The only precedence I know of with furloghed pilots being brought into a single list is Usair and america west.

MD80 08-21-2009 11:42 AM


Originally Posted by Killer51883 (Post 666082)
what do you suggest we do with the 300 YX and 100 F9 guys on the street? As our fleet stands now, there is not enough work for all of them and all the currently employed RAH pilots. Is if fair and equitable for them to bump the bottom RAH guys onto the street and send them to places like HNL or GSO to be FO's on reserve? The company and union are talking about growth with the airbus's and 190's so should we limit those positions to the furloghed guys so they can get first dibs on them? Either way there will be upset people. The only precedence I know of with furloghed pilots being brought into a single list is Usair and america west.


Integrate all pilots and have fences so the Midwest/Frontier furloughed pilots have rights to the growth at their airline.

Bear392 08-21-2009 11:45 AM


Originally Posted by Killer51883 (Post 666082)
what do you suggest we do with the 300 YX and 100 F9 guys on the street? As our fleet stands now, there is not enough work for all of them and all the currently employed RAH pilots. Is if fair and equitable for them to bump the bottom RAH guys onto the street and send them to places like HNL or GSO to be FO's on reserve? The company and union are talking about growth with the airbus's and 190's so should we limit those positions to the furloughed guys so they can get first dibs on them? Either way there will be upset people. The only precedence I know of with furloughed pilots being brought into a single list is Usair and america west.

Ya, and how is that working out. So you suggest that you continue to fly Midwest routes, Midwest colors, Midwest passengers, but not with the Midwest pilots, right. I'm not talking about bumping anybody out of their seat, but not staffing any more Midwest colored aircraft with new RAH pilots while all YX pilots remain on the street. If you are in a seat, you stay there, but not add RAH pilots to Midex aircraft until all YX pilots back. Nobody gets displaced out of seat or domicile.

Bear392 08-21-2009 11:50 AM


Originally Posted by MD80 (Post 666097)
Integrate all pilots and have fences so the Midwest/Frontier furloughed pilots have rights to the growth at their airline.


That is a easy fix. Now , would the RAH guys be happy with that ?

MD80 08-21-2009 11:57 AM


Originally Posted by ToiletDuck (Post 666045)
Maybe someone can give me a heads up but did TWA have pilots of furlough with AMR? What about NWA/DAL? Any furloughs there prior to merger that would set some kind of precedence?


Unsure about these mergers, but one difference with the Republic/Midwest merger is that we were in contract negotiations and your pilots were unfurloughed just months ago to replace us.

TPG/BB tried to get Midwest pilots to agree to a new low in E190 wages before moving forward with the merger. They were trying to whipsaw Midwest against Republic.

After the Midwest E190 negotiations failed. TPG/BB moved to save on training costs before the merger.

This merger has been in the works for almost a year.

TrojanUSC 08-21-2009 12:09 PM


Originally Posted by Bear392 (Post 666101)
That is a easy fix. Now , would the RAH guys be happy with that ?

Yes I think that is fair. I just don't think you are going to get 2000 RAH pilots to agree that all Midwest guys should be recalled if it means that 300 RAH guys take their spots on the street. I say integrate everyone with relative seniority , even furloughs. However nobody gets put on the street that is an active pilot. Even if that means that someone with more seniority is currently furloughed. Once the pilot is recalled (first rights onto their original airline) from furlough they just take their spot in the new integrated space of the seniority list. With a few year airline lock...

If that makes any sense...

Joachim 08-21-2009 01:15 PM


Originally Posted by Bear392 (Post 666077)
I have not seen one YX pilot ask for or expect DOH, however can you guys at RAH say no one is looking to staple most or all YX pilots.

Apart from the inevitable few, Absolutely!

ToiletDuck 08-21-2009 01:42 PM


Originally Posted by MD80 (Post 666097)
Integrate all pilots and have fences so the Midwest/Frontier furloughed pilots have rights to the growth at their airline.

Who's airline is it? I think that's one of the largest barriers that needs to be broken down for things to move smoothly. You have to admit that you're part of a family now and "me me me" should be replaced with "us us us".

Bear392 if you haven't seen anyone wanting DOH do a search on users 320toBearz for starters.


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