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Originally Posted by Joachim (Post 665548)

You are wrong. Don't fabricate facts in the name of drama. We don't want or need that ****.

BB's words were: "it is not up to me"

So if it didn't come from BB then I guess the teamsters are now making the business decisions for RAH. Of course BB told the teamsters that all pilots including furloughes would be back soon. Do you really think the teamsters are taking the liability of saying something they don't have any proof of? If they are without any insight from management I'm dumbfounded.

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Originally Posted by MD80 (Post 665434)

Until I find something better.

Good were glad to have you. Hopefully with the experience of the guys coming over we can negotiate something that keeps as many people as happy as possible.

MD80 please realize that most everyone over here knows you guys got screwed by the events that unfolded in the last couple years. I haven't met anyone that doesn't want to work with you guys and most FOs realize that in no way should we be benefiting on the backs of more experienced pilots. However I have met no one from MidEx that has been friendly and wants to work with us. When can we expect you guys to realize that and start working with us instead of against us? Until then nothing will get done... This petty arguing and name calling has to end at some point.

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Originally Posted by TrojanUSC (Post 665915)

Maybe a friendly call to your merger committee to relay your sentiment. I don't believe they feel the same. They are singing a different tune all together.

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Originally Posted by Bear392 (Post 665974)

Maybe a friendly call to your merger committee to relay your sentiment. I don't believe they feel the same. They are singing a different tune all together.

I disagree. The last update we got from the integration committee empasized career expectations and time invested pre-merger. In addition, they strongly discouraged RAH pilots from adopting the "not above me" syndrome. We WILL work with you. Let's try to make something good out of this.

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Originally Posted by TrojanUSC (Post 665915)

It has been a rough road at Midwest since TPG bought us. I'm a Republic Teamster and will defend it once your EXCO shows in "actions" that this will be a fair merger.

Integrate all Midwest pilots!

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Originally Posted by Joachim (Post 665979)

I believe you, but the information that is being put out by your union is all POST merger. No time invested at all. I believe that is where all the concern or attitude is coming from. Someone with 15 years at YX stapled behind a 1 year RAH fo. The Midwest product is still alive and these people invested many years to YX and to be stapled behind a 1 year fo from RAH and still flying Midwest colors is going to be a difficult pill to swallow for anybody. This should be done fairly and with respect to all.

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Originally Posted by Joachim (Post 665979)

Actions speak louder than words. Seems to me they are telling you to do as they say but not as they are doing. So far all I have seen is doublespeak.

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Originally Posted by Bear392 (Post 665988)

I'm convinced that a staple won't be on the agenda for F9 or YX. It would be a poor business decision for everyone. We need you silver haired classics to be with the team and kick some ass like you have been for years. This place is gonna go south quick if we have a labor group split five ways. BB, the unions, and pilots are going to need your experience as a stand alone carrier to make this work. And if it doesn't, we will all be FUBAR.

This is a direct quote from our integ. Comm

Fair and Equitable”

The integration process largely follows the Allegheny-Mohawk LPP’s, which was a result of those airlines’ subsequent arbitration. It sets the ground rules for two (or in our case five) airlines to come together and reach an integrated seniority list. It takes into account all of the assets and expectations each group brings to the final master list. It tries to do this by limiting the negative impact from the pilots’ current status (pay, seat, lifestyle, etc.) while heavily weighing career expectations from a pre-merger standpoint. This is where the term “Fair and Equitable” comes from.

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Originally Posted by Joachim (Post 666026)

I'm not silver yet, but sometimes feel like it. If you read a little farther down is what everybody has their panties bunched about.

“Expediency”
The only pilot groups not to have pilots on furlough is Mokulele and Lynx. Midwest will have another 41 pilots on furlough September 1st, with all of their pilots on the street by December 15th. Furloughed pilots from Midwest and Frontier cannot bid for an open slot until they are on the RAH Seniority List. However, for integration purposes, pilots who were active at the time of acquisition will be considered active for the Master Seniority List. It is the resolve of all Integration Committees to get this completed as quickly as possible so we can begin to get all of our furloughees back on property.

So what about the guys that have been there 15 years plus and now are on the street, behind the 1 year RAH fo?

Maybe someone can give me a heads up but did TWA have pilots of furlough with AMR? What about NWA/DAL? Any furloughs there prior to merger that would set some kind of precedence?