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ToiletDuck 08-22-2009 08:48 AM


Originally Posted by 320ToBearz (Post 666513)
I cannot help it that you continue to use and ask for the TWA integration as what you want, but do not understand HOW that integration worked as it gave TWA pilots super seniority in STL and also gave them a lock of a certain percentage of the captains slots in STL based on the total number of narrowbody aircraft American flies in certain other domiciles (DFW and ORD if I am not mistaken).

I don't know if this is a drunk post or not. Doesn't make much since. When I mentioned TWA, a couple months ago, it was as a statement that I hoped people would maintain seniority in base on aircraft AND when recalled go back to seniority position in base. Not the entire situation that became TWA. Don't mistake the two.

MD80 08-22-2009 09:46 AM


Originally Posted by ToiletDuck (Post 666170)
Who's airline is it? I think that's one of the largest barriers that needs to be broken down for things to move smoothly. You have to admit that you're part of a family now and "me me me" should be replaced with "us us us".

Bear392 if you haven't seen anyone wanting DOH do a search on users 320toBearz for starters.


I agree. We need to work together because BB and TPG will try to divide us.

320ToBearz 08-22-2009 10:22 AM


Originally Posted by ToiletDuck (Post 666528)
I don't know if this is a drunk post or not. Doesn't make much since. When I mentioned TWA, a couple months ago, it was as a statement that I hoped people would maintain seniority in base on aircraft AND when recalled go back to seniority position in base. Not the entire situation that became TWA. Don't mistake the two.

The 190 is a replacement for the 717 directly but in your mind success is replacing it at 50% less wages. This is an aircraft that the midwest pilots should be entitled too. What you just said above is exactly what I said. Midwest pilots retain super seniority on all Midwest 190 (and I would argue 170/145) flights.

It should be no different over at F9.

samc 08-22-2009 11:19 AM


Originally Posted by Bear392 (Post 666101)
That is a easy fix. Now , would the RAH guys be happy with that ?

yes. I've seen this idea tossed around quite a bit. Of course, I don't speak for anyone except myself.

Killer51883 08-22-2009 11:24 AM


Originally Posted by 320ToBearz (Post 666563)
The 190 is a replacement for the 717 directly but in your mind success is replacing it at 50% less wages. This is an aircraft that the midwest pilots should be entitled too. What you just said above is exactly what I said. Midwest pilots retain super seniority on all Midwest 190 (and I would argue 170/145) flights.

It should be no different over at F9.

first dibs on any new 190 stuff would be ok. however there is no 170 midwest base or 145 base. all that flying is done from our other bases. That would be sending current republic pilots to the street.

ToiletDuck 08-22-2009 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by 320ToBearz (Post 666563)
The 190 is a replacement for the 717 directly but in your mind success is replacing it at 50% less wages. This is an aircraft that the midwest pilots should be entitled too. What you just said above is exactly what I said. Midwest pilots retain super seniority on all Midwest 190 (and I would argue 170/145) flights.

It should be no different over at F9.

I've never mentioned the word success yet I don't think. 717s were gone either way so yes something will have to replace them. BB can't run an airline with no aircraft.

MD80 08-22-2009 12:49 PM


Originally Posted by Killer51883 (Post 666589)
first dibs on any new 190 stuff would be ok. however there is no 170 midwest base or 145 base. all that flying is done from our other bases. That would be sending current republic pilots to the street.


What was going to happen with the termiated Frontier E170 and American? E135-145 flying?

Sounding like you want to move it to Midwest and take our jobs.

Is that the Teamster solution to merging these airlines?

Killer51883 08-22-2009 01:01 PM


Originally Posted by MD80 (Post 666633)
What was going to happen with the termiated Frontier E170 and American? E135-145 flying?

Sounding like you want to move it to Midwest and take our jobs.

Is that the Teamster solution to merging these airlines?

Obviously I dont want to lose my job, now that is a personal feeling clearly. Now I might have missed something but when did the teamsters sign their approval of us doing midwest flying? As I recall the union had to file a grievance just to get access to the contract to understand what all would be involved with the new flying.

ToiletDuck 08-22-2009 01:08 PM


Originally Posted by MD80 (Post 666633)
What was going to happen with the termiated Frontier E170 and American? E135-145 flying?

Sounding like you want to move it to Midwest and take our jobs.

Is that the Teamster solution to merging these airlines?

There have been no hints about what is happening with the AMR birds

I agree. We need to work together because BB and TPG will try to divide us.
You say this then follow it up with a "you're taking our jobs" statement. It's in the past.

STILL GROUNDED 08-22-2009 01:10 PM

This is why integrating the Midwest Pilots quickly is so important. They cannot even bid the equipment until they are on the list. There should be enough flying coming that will enable a Midwest pilot to hold MKE on the 190 if so desired. But if we block off the 190's for them we also block off the rest of the system to them, that would be only fair and equitable. Point being if a guy commuting from Philly is stuck in the right seat anyway why not take one close to home. I don't believe you are going to to see a pay difference between 170's and 190's. There maybe something in the works to split it below but I still see the company fighting for one FO pay scale, it will definitely be better though.


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