Pinnacles MEC passes the TA
08-26-2009 | 08:35 PM
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The "good" contracts have NEVER fallen in the laps of pilots- there has always been a good deal of tension (applied from both sides) to get a great deal. In each new deal precedents were set that at the next negotiating cycle became the "industry average". We are a couple years away from some of the current "leaders" to go into negotiations- do you think those guys are willing to take anything less than what they currently have in a deal? We are going to be voting on a 3rd generation contract- when we are at a timeline for a 4th generation deal. Your vote, my vote, and the other 1248 votes will all come together and show the MEC, mgmt, and the industry overall how we are going forward in this industry.
9E's 2nd contract was basically thrown together (in 1999) to get jets with only 250 pilots on the property at that time. I must add, at that time every other regional we are being compared to, had jets already, and some for many years before 9E's first jet arrived in June 2000.
So, 9E was 5-6 steps behind everyone then, hopefully with this or another TA they will only be 2-3 steps behind everyone.
08-26-2009 | 08:37 PM
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SO, yes it is less, quite a bit less!!
no argument! In comparison to just about everybody else, it is less.
08-26-2009 | 08:51 PM
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This is what some people are missing when they attempt to post comments on the 9E TA. 9E is at the 3rd generation, what generation is everyone else?
9E's 2nd contract was basically thrown together (in 1999) to get jets with only 250 pilots on the property at that time. I must add, at that time every other regional we are being compared to, had jets already, and some for many years before 9E's first jet arrived in June 2000.
So, 9E was 5-6 steps behind everyone then, hopefully with this or another TA they will only be 2-3 steps behind everyone.
9E's 2nd contract was basically thrown together (in 1999) to get jets with only 250 pilots on the property at that time. I must add, at that time every other regional we are being compared to, had jets already, and some for many years before 9E's first jet arrived in June 2000.
So, 9E was 5-6 steps behind everyone then, hopefully with this or another TA they will only be 2-3 steps behind everyone.
08-27-2009 | 03:55 AM
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who wanted the airframes at Gojets, the company or the pilots?
9E was shrinking back in '99, they were offered the carrot and went for it. They started from a negative position to survive. You need to know the climate at the time. Comair was in a great position, ASA was the same, they brought the company's to their knee's and did well by doing so.
If 9E votes the TA down, they may get some leverage, at what price is the question they are asking themselves.
9E was shrinking back in '99, they were offered the carrot and went for it. They started from a negative position to survive. You need to know the climate at the time. Comair was in a great position, ASA was the same, they brought the company's to their knee's and did well by doing so.
If 9E votes the TA down, they may get some leverage, at what price is the question they are asking themselves.
08-27-2009 | 06:45 AM
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This is what some people are missing when they attempt to post comments on the 9E TA. 9E is at the 3rd generation, what generation is everyone else?
9E's 2nd contract was basically thrown together (in 1999) to get jets with only 250 pilots on the property at that time. I must add, at that time every other regional we are being compared to, had jets already, and some for many years before 9E's first jet arrived in June 2000.
So, 9E was 5-6 steps behind everyone then, hopefully with this or another TA they will only be 2-3 steps behind everyone.
9E's 2nd contract was basically thrown together (in 1999) to get jets with only 250 pilots on the property at that time. I must add, at that time every other regional we are being compared to, had jets already, and some for many years before 9E's first jet arrived in June 2000.
So, 9E was 5-6 steps behind everyone then, hopefully with this or another TA they will only be 2-3 steps behind everyone.
Can you clarify the message you are trying to convey?
08-27-2009 | 06:54 AM
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who wanted the airframes at Gojets, the company or the pilots?
9E was shrinking back in '99, they were offered the carrot and went for it. They started from a negative position to survive. You need to know the climate at the time. Comair was in a great position, ASA was the same, they brought the company's to their knee's and did well by doing so.
If 9E votes the TA down, they may get some leverage, at what price is the question they are asking themselves.
9E was shrinking back in '99, they were offered the carrot and went for it. They started from a negative position to survive. You need to know the climate at the time. Comair was in a great position, ASA was the same, they brought the company's to their knee's and did well by doing so.
If 9E votes the TA down, they may get some leverage, at what price is the question they are asking themselves.
If you accept this contract because times are tough your management will simply drag out negotiations every time until the economy turns crappy and then give you a bad offer and say, "Sorry times are tough this is the best we can do." Don't settle for that, you guys deserve so much more!
There is no reason your company can't afford to pay what your fellow regionals pay. We all fly the same equipment in and out of the same hubs. If your management can't pay you what you deserve because their other costs are out of line they are bad businessmen/women or they are simply lying to you.
Last edited by FlyASA; 08-27-2009 at 06:58 AM. Reason: spelling
08-27-2009 | 08:03 AM
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lying would not be out of the question for 9E management group also stupidity and greedy will discribe them quite well. CFO hay Phill we have a lot of money sitting around should we settle the contract and pay the pilots Phill No we will come up with something to tell them a drag on the negoitions CFO oh ok well we can invest the money Phill in what CFO Auction Rate securities and increase our bounus for the year Phil ok it is only the pilots money we have nothing to lose
08-27-2009 | 08:43 AM
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lying would not be out of the question for 9E management group also stupidity and greedy will discribe them quite well. CFO hay Phill we have a lot of money sitting around should we settle the contract and pay the pilots Phill No we will come up with something to tell them a drag on the negoitions CFO oh ok well we can invest the money Phill in what CFO Auction Rate securities and increase our bounus for the year Phil ok it is only the pilots money we have nothing to lose
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