Pinnacles MEC passes the TA
08-22-2009 | 03:58 PM
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From what this new TA sounds like, I would vote it down if I were a Pinnacle pilot. 5 years of fighting for what you deserve and this is all that comes out of it? Vote it down and get ready to strike!
08-22-2009 | 04:35 PM
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........and I think it has a pretty good chance of passing.
The split MEC vote simply told management that the leadership is not solidly grounded and weak. On the chance this fails, the MEC will be that much weaker going back against those that have already pegged them as vulnerable.
Not good any way you look at it.
The split MEC vote simply told management that the leadership is not solidly grounded and weak. On the chance this fails, the MEC will be that much weaker going back against those that have already pegged them as vulnerable.
Not good any way you look at it.
08-22-2009 | 05:29 PM
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How so? Concessionary means it's less than what you already have. I'm not aware of anything in the TA that's less than what you've already got. Is it as much as you should have gotten? Far from it. But it's not concessionary.
08-22-2009 | 05:54 PM
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The proposed payrates that were posted over on Flightinfo (if they're accurate) are lower than the Oct. 2008 payrates in the Air Wisconsin 2003 concessionary contract for 50 seat CA & FO...as are the 60+ seat FO payrates.
08-22-2009 | 06:06 PM
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If you believe that I've got some great ocean-front property in Nebraska to sell you.
This is a concessionary contract and you can't spin it any other way. Anybody that says it's not is either blind, completely oblivious about their own industry, jaded from years of the worst pay/rules in the biz, or they have a hidden agenda. Which are you? Marginal improvements to pay, marginal wordage improvements in other sections, no real concrete QOL improvement for junior folks, and completely folding in other important areas after 5 years of negotiating are concessions. It's 2009 folks not 1999.
This is a concessionary contract and you can't spin it any other way. Anybody that says it's not is either blind, completely oblivious about their own industry, jaded from years of the worst pay/rules in the biz, or they have a hidden agenda. Which are you? Marginal improvements to pay, marginal wordage improvements in other sections, no real concrete QOL improvement for junior folks, and completely folding in other important areas after 5 years of negotiating are concessions. It's 2009 folks not 1999.
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08-22-2009 | 06:20 PM
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If you believe that I've got some great ocean-front property in Nebraska to sell you.
This is a concessionary contract and you can't spin it any other way. Anybody that says it's not is either blind, completely oblivious about their own industry, jaded from years of the worst pay/rules in the biz, or they have a hidden agenda. Which are you? Marginal improvements to pay, marginal wordage improvements in other sections, no real concrete QOL improvement for junior folks, and completely folding in other important areas after 5 years of negotiating are concessions. It's 2009 folks not 1999.
This is a concessionary contract and you can't spin it any other way. Anybody that says it's not is either blind, completely oblivious about their own industry, jaded from years of the worst pay/rules in the biz, or they have a hidden agenda. Which are you? Marginal improvements to pay, marginal wordage improvements in other sections, no real concrete QOL improvement for junior folks, and completely folding in other important areas after 5 years of negotiating are concessions. It's 2009 folks not 1999.
08-22-2009 | 06:33 PM
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And that's why this place fails. You don't get it.
Try to think outside the box for a moment. This TA is bigger than Pinnacle. It's not just about you. It's about every 121 carrier in the USA. The rates and rules in this TA fall below industry average. They conceed to industry average.
Is the light going off for anyone yet?
We're the pilot group that has ranked as the best performing RJ carrier consistantly over the years and you are, in fact, about to vote on a TA that is concessionary to our profession. If you can't agree with that then I'd say you probably have no business voting at all. Our profession needs forward thinking people not, "Well shucks! It's a raise and I hold a line so's I donts cares 'bout dem reserves or junior folks! Reckon I buy me a whole years supply of chew with this chere bonus!"
Try to think outside the box for a moment. This TA is bigger than Pinnacle. It's not just about you. It's about every 121 carrier in the USA. The rates and rules in this TA fall below industry average. They conceed to industry average.
Is the light going off for anyone yet?We're the pilot group that has ranked as the best performing RJ carrier consistantly over the years and you are, in fact, about to vote on a TA that is concessionary to our profession. If you can't agree with that then I'd say you probably have no business voting at all. Our profession needs forward thinking people not, "Well shucks! It's a raise and I hold a line so's I donts cares 'bout dem reserves or junior folks! Reckon I buy me a whole years supply of chew with this chere bonus!"
08-22-2009 | 06:35 PM
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