Yeah, don't trust us. We are just trying to not let either of us get whipsawed. We need one list to stop that. We didn't decide as pilots to buy Midwest or Frontier. Our management did and we are faced with integration. The Midwest guys that were active upon purchase will be seen as active in the integration. Don't let MD-80 tell you otherwise.

First of all... It speaks volumes to how grown up you are by calling pilots at Republic "little boys and girl pilots". In fact, I think that we have been extremely professional with what we have been dealt. I would like to see everyone off the street. And all pilots, including the furloughed ones will be integrated. I would want nothing more than to never share a cockpit with you and your attitude.

Learn what a whipsaw is. We aren't like GoJet's. We didn't have a choice to leave Republic to go to some alter ego company and take others jobs. Our choice was to fly our planes or go home and get fired.

Exactly. I don't know why I try sometimes. Entertainment I guess. Sad.

Or the leadership of the management of Midwest. Or the pilots that had no scope.

All the pilot groups are in talks to get integrated. Some have filed for arbitration already. Time will tell. Some are not playing nice (F9), who has decided to not talk to us about integration. So who is really trying here?

Go ahead Trolls. Do your damage. ;)

Don't trust these guys

....the few furloughless folks in FltOps and CrewSched are pleased to announced.....
Pilot's Permanent Vacancy and Displacement Notice

2009-05 Fourth Quarter Posting

Positions

Positions Available - Positions Awarded - Vacancies

Captain B717 MKE

0 - 46 - 46

First Officer B717 MKE

0 - 41 - 41

Posting Date: September 1, 2009
Closing Date: September 7, 2009 @ 1800

•

Due to the elimination of the remaining five aircraft, the downgrade and furlough process will continue
throughout the fourth quarter

•

At this time, we are anticipating that all B717s will cease flying by the end of the year
Potential Furlough Dates and Numbers
October 31st = 8
November 10th = 20
December 4th = 19
- All remaining pilots will be furloughed when aircraft operations cease

• Downgrades will take place starting mid-October through the beginning of December

Exactly. The 717's are going away. Therefore the need to furlough pilots on the 717. You are not on our list yet. Once you are then we'll see what arbitration holds. Since you guys were so fast to file for arbitration and not negotiate otherwise. The sooner you get on the list, the sooner you guys are off the street. We are trying. We are in talks with you. Like I said before. Our union is looking at your list before we took over as to the integration, so when we integrate, many of your guys that have been on furlough will be flying again. I don't know exactly how many, but I've heard that it was when we took over the company those who were active will be active when the integration is complete.

MD-80,

Thanks for your post. This is the kind of information I was hoping for. I was aware of further impending furloughs, but hadn't seen any schedules laid out in an ordered fashion.

Dirty Rat et al,

I had just turned 24 when I was hired at Chautauqua. Prior to this, I instructed while in school at Illinois and for a year after at PWK. As was the norm, I instructed six to seven days a week for very little money. If you considered the down time spent at the airports, my average "duty day" was extremely long. All of the regionals were hiring, and several good friends of mine had already gone to Chautauqua. I make only a little more money, but I have much more time off and much better benefits. I made the same decisions as hundreds of other young pilots in 2007 made at all of the regionals.

I deserve much more from my company. All of us do. It infuriates me that the company pays me so little, then puts bids on two airlines within 48 hours of each other. This is all after 600 furloughs had been rumored by management. When a ballot is mailed to me, I will exercise my right. If our union says strike, I will gladly walk.

However, before any new contract is brought to ballot, we must get through the integration process. As we coalesce, we must keep each other informed. Not only will this speed the process so we can get back down to the real business of negotiations, but it also minimizes the time window for the company to continue their shenanigans:

- Advertising new jobs on public TV while WARN letters are in the mail.
- De-activating a seat to keep a 99-seat payscale "kosher."
- Potentially shifting flying to other certificates to lower costs.

Midwest is by far taking the brunt of this. I'm sorry. However, we need to integrate and keep each other informed to get down to the real business of righting these wrongs.

Again, MD-80, thanks for the information - keep it coming, from all concerned carriers. But to some of the others: please, if all you have to contribute are snide or sardonic comments about how terrible I am... PM me and I will provide you with my contact information. Then you can berate me on my time, not others.

Thanks all,
Gear Swinger

1. Your union is not talking to us. In fact they have blown us off, thus we needed to file for arbitration because of the 20 day limit within a/m.
2. Most of guys won't come back at your crappy pay rates. Unemployment would be better in the end especially if you can be home and not commute to bfe.

I would like to know who in the Lynx pilot group are in talks? Today is the last day of voting to be represented by the UTU, but at present we are not represented by anyone.

Gear Swinger, RAH has visited both the Lynx and Frontier offices, but I hesitate to repeat what was said on a public forum.

You asked about Lynx geting jets, I doubt it. Most likely we will be absorbed by one of the RAH regionals, so a Lynx pilot could end up in one of those jets in theory.

Republic IBT, Frontier FAPA, Midwest ALPA, Mokulele ? Assuming everyone is integrated, what union?

So the real question... Who gets furloughed? I mean Midwest pilots have the seniority over most of the RAH pilot group. The Lynx pilot group is relatively new, however has a lot of more senior pilots then the bottom quarter of the RAH pilot group. The Frontier group is more senior then 3/4 of the RAH pilot group (if not more) and two of the three have furloughed pilots? So would that not mean that those pilots whom are furloughed at Midwest and F9 would not have rights in a seat somewhere at RAH? And would that not mean that there would be a great deal of downgrades at RAH as well and some more furloughs? If I were a furloughed RAh pilot I'd be worried once this all gets worked out. It might be a long while before you ever get back on property.... So how does this all work out? We know Midwest has their contract, frontier has theirs, RAH has theirs (probably one of the worst out there due to their union), so which overrides the others? Or does it go back to "Career intentions?"

More furloughs? Umm...we'll be expanding most all of the certificates, so it will actually be the opposite within 6 months. The integration will happen, but since you work for neither company, we'll leave that to our unions. Just worry about getting your streak guys back and we'll worry about ours.

Expanding? While you cant fly against your Code Share routes? Parker and Airways already made it clear any route that USairways does in and out of MKE, DEN, MCI, Republic Holdings cannot operate. I am assuming it will be the same for UAL, DAL, CAL, American.... So perhaps you need to get your facts straight first.... Expanding in todays market! WOW you are smoking something. Who and what certificate would expand? Who would give you more flying? Wow. And wishful thinking on a lack of furloughs and downgrades.... WOW you are funny tonight. I'm glad we are all of the mentality like you of, "I've got mine so screw you." Your last statement says it well, you are only worried about RAH and yourself. And dont care how it will hurt the industry as a whole. Pretty sickening.

I agree... you understand the pilots at Republic. They undermined Midwest during contract negotiations and will do the same to our profession.

Can't call them scabs (yet) because they have only crossed a non-striking carriers picket line. They're "Virtual Scabs" following their spiritual leader.


ps. I will shut up... if a Repulic pilot can name one thing your local has done to support Midwest or the profession.