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Hi All,

There is a lot of information being disseminated to Frontier, Lynx, Midwest, Mokulele, and RAH from various high-ups. However, certain groups only appear to be getting certain pieces of the story. I know how many RAH, Midwest, and Frontier pilots we have on these boards; but I've not heard much from Lynx or Mokulele. Any input those specific groups have would be particularly appreciated. For example, it was mentioned in a private forum that Lynx may be expecting jets soon.

Even with trolls and keyboard commandos, these forums do serve to help level the playing field between maniacal management and peon pilots. Whatever some of the other groups have heard recently from Suits' mouthes are appreciated.

Thanks All.

Someone actually cares what we (Lynx pilots) think?

Here is a short story for you. I was in OKC by our gate a year plus ago now awaiting the aircraft, a not so shiny anymore AA MD80 was at the next gate. The Captain of the AA flight walks up to me, never looking at me, just staring outside in the same direction as me (what the I was looking at I don’t know). He had his hands in his pockets, chewing on a toothpick. He asks me what’s going on at Frontier these days, I reply I don’t really know I work for Lynx. I get this incredulous look from him, now he’s looking at me, “what the hell is Lynx?”

Yeah that’s how it usually goes.

The vote is on for representation by the UTU, if that passes then maybe we’ll get some kind of say in what is happening to us.

FAPA and IBT working on integration, “so what about Lynx?”, “what the hell is Lynx?”

as a RAH pilot I hope that we get you guys intergrated quickly, believe me there are alot of us here that are concerned that if we dont get you guys on the list that our management will grow Lynx into a 40-60 aircraft operation and whipsaw the lynx and RW/RP/S5 operations against eachother

So sad! :(

Lynx pilots don't listen to these guys. Republic has been taking over the Midwest flying with E170/E190 and will not integrate the Midwest pilots until they sew up all the job.

Don't trust these guys

Delaying the integration may allow to gain flying and jobs. Watch Frontier pilots delay the integration

Welcome to our world! Who the hell is Chau-tau-qua? For years we were the unknown...and in many cases still are..

Welcome to the team!

For the record...all this stuff takes a long time... integration has never happened "overnight!". Even simple integrations usually take over a year.

When you are lying on your back with Bedfjords boot on your neck, open your eyes and watch the RAH pilots walk on by, eyes averted.

Is Brian Scandinavian?

any kind of integration needs a fence!

So when are little boys and girls pilots at Republic going to communicate to the the other carriers to integrate all pilots including the furloughed ones that made the infrastructure on the airlines you bought?

Scared? Chicken? Selfish? Have no clue on what to do? Waiting for daddy Bedford?

Your INACTIONS and No communications are speaking volumes nationwide that you are NOT professionals and need to grow up. Goodluck on getting hired somewhere else -not at my company - and if you do, don't bother talking, just read the ops manual and touch only the gear handle on my trip.

Let me get this straight. We have a Republic pilot worried about being "whipsawed". Pot, meet Kettle. I seriously wonder where BB found some of you people. You work for nothing, wipe out other pilot groups, put tons of people on the street and you think nothing of it. Incredible.

And the Internet trolls have arrived. Thread now useless. It was a good try though.

Only shining a light on the actions of IBT747 leadership.

As posted on the ALPA board:
From the Republic Pilots CBA

ARTICLE 1

RECOGNITION AND SCOPE ARTICLE

H. Successorship and Mergers

5. The following additional requirements shall be applicable in the event of a merger, purchase or acquisition involving the Company, regardless of the identity of the surviving carrier or whether formerly separate operations are to be integrated.

...

b. Subject to applicable securities and other laws and regulations, the Company will review with the union the details of any material agreements relating to Successorship transactions in a timely manner, provided that no financial or other confidential business information need be disclosed unless suitable arrangements are made for protecting the confidentiality and use of such information.

c. The operations of the Company and those of the other air carrier shall be kept separate unless and until the processes described in paragraph b above is completed and the seniority lists of the two pilot groups are integrated in accordance with Sections 3 and 13 of the Allegheny-Mohawk Labor Protective Provisions are completed. During such time of separate operations, neither aircraft nor pilots shall be interchanged without the Union’s written consent.


Does anyone else see that BB is violating c. above. I fail to see that this got by 2000 pilots without a grievance filed. Doesn't surprise me though that this may just be their dirty little secret. Wouldn't want to grieve something that benefits them. Unless the teamsters gave consent which wouldn't surprise me either. So are any of the RAH pilots on here going to file a grievance about this or are you just going to continue to play dumb.

Exactly. Not the RAH group as a whole.

Do you blame all ALPA pilots for the shortcomings of National?

I have heard that once the Frontier deal is completed there is going to be some sort of 5 way sexcapade (integration) between all of the groups with probably a few fences. Is this not the case? You all need to get on the same sheet of music find out what the companies plans are and get to work so you don't get caught with your pants any more down than they already are.

Confused. It states that things have to be kept separate until the seniority lists are merged. This has not happened yet, nor have pilots nor aircraft been interchanged. Your side remarks are cute, but make no sense. What could we grieve at this point? That BB bought some 190's, threw them on our certificate and are flying them with current RAH pilots?

Pretty much is the case between RAH, F9, YX, Lynx and Mokulele. Not an easy thing to do and definitely not going to happen over night. The unions are already in talks, and as expected, each union is miles apart on what they think should happen to their group.

You're kidding right? What do you think aircraft painted in Midwest colors with Midwest on the side of them are doing in MKE? There has been an interchange of equipment and pilots only it's been one sided. Won't last long though if we have our way in the grievence process.

I would hope that he/she is kidding. I can't believe someone could be that oblivious. If nothing else it would force one aircraft to stay in order to keep the certificate. If they don't keep the certificate open until the integration is done then I think the current grievance gets much more merit.

Yeah, don't trust us. We are just trying to not let either of us get whipsawed. We need one list to stop that. We didn't decide as pilots to buy Midwest or Frontier. Our management did and we are faced with integration. The Midwest guys that were active upon purchase will be seen as active in the integration. Don't let MD-80 tell you otherwise.

First of all... It speaks volumes to how grown up you are by calling pilots at Republic "little boys and girl pilots". In fact, I think that we have been extremely professional with what we have been dealt. I would like to see everyone off the street. And all pilots, including the furloughed ones will be integrated. I would want nothing more than to never share a cockpit with you and your attitude.

Learn what a whipsaw is. We aren't like GoJet's. We didn't have a choice to leave Republic to go to some alter ego company and take others jobs. Our choice was to fly our planes or go home and get fired.

Exactly. I don't know why I try sometimes. Entertainment I guess. Sad.

Or the leadership of the management of Midwest. Or the pilots that had no scope.

All the pilot groups are in talks to get integrated. Some have filed for arbitration already. Time will tell. Some are not playing nice (F9), who has decided to not talk to us about integration. So who is really trying here?

Go ahead Trolls. Do your damage. ;)

Don't trust these guys

....the few furloughless folks in FltOps and CrewSched are pleased to announced.....
Pilot's Permanent Vacancy and Displacement Notice

2009-05 Fourth Quarter Posting

Positions

Positions Available - Positions Awarded - Vacancies

Captain B717 MKE

0 - 46 - 46

First Officer B717 MKE

0 - 41 - 41

Posting Date: September 1, 2009
Closing Date: September 7, 2009 @ 1800

•

Due to the elimination of the remaining five aircraft, the downgrade and furlough process will continue
throughout the fourth quarter

•

At this time, we are anticipating that all B717s will cease flying by the end of the year
Potential Furlough Dates and Numbers
October 31st = 8
November 10th = 20
December 4th = 19
- All remaining pilots will be furloughed when aircraft operations cease

• Downgrades will take place starting mid-October through the beginning of December

Exactly. The 717's are going away. Therefore the need to furlough pilots on the 717. You are not on our list yet. Once you are then we'll see what arbitration holds. Since you guys were so fast to file for arbitration and not negotiate otherwise. The sooner you get on the list, the sooner you guys are off the street. We are trying. We are in talks with you. Like I said before. Our union is looking at your list before we took over as to the integration, so when we integrate, many of your guys that have been on furlough will be flying again. I don't know exactly how many, but I've heard that it was when we took over the company those who were active will be active when the integration is complete.

MD-80,

Thanks for your post. This is the kind of information I was hoping for. I was aware of further impending furloughs, but hadn't seen any schedules laid out in an ordered fashion.

Dirty Rat et al,

I had just turned 24 when I was hired at Chautauqua. Prior to this, I instructed while in school at Illinois and for a year after at PWK. As was the norm, I instructed six to seven days a week for very little money. If you considered the down time spent at the airports, my average "duty day" was extremely long. All of the regionals were hiring, and several good friends of mine had already gone to Chautauqua. I make only a little more money, but I have much more time off and much better benefits. I made the same decisions as hundreds of other young pilots in 2007 made at all of the regionals.

I deserve much more from my company. All of us do. It infuriates me that the company pays me so little, then puts bids on two airlines within 48 hours of each other. This is all after 600 furloughs had been rumored by management. When a ballot is mailed to me, I will exercise my right. If our union says strike, I will gladly walk.

However, before any new contract is brought to ballot, we must get through the integration process. As we coalesce, we must keep each other informed. Not only will this speed the process so we can get back down to the real business of negotiations, but it also minimizes the time window for the company to continue their shenanigans:

- Advertising new jobs on public TV while WARN letters are in the mail.
- De-activating a seat to keep a 99-seat payscale "kosher."
- Potentially shifting flying to other certificates to lower costs.

Midwest is by far taking the brunt of this. I'm sorry. However, we need to integrate and keep each other informed to get down to the real business of righting these wrongs.

Again, MD-80, thanks for the information - keep it coming, from all concerned carriers. But to some of the others: please, if all you have to contribute are snide or sardonic comments about how terrible I am... PM me and I will provide you with my contact information. Then you can berate me on my time, not others.

Thanks all,
Gear Swinger

1. Your union is not talking to us. In fact they have blown us off, thus we needed to file for arbitration because of the 20 day limit within a/m.
2. Most of guys won't come back at your crappy pay rates. Unemployment would be better in the end especially if you can be home and not commute to bfe.

I would like to know who in the Lynx pilot group are in talks? Today is the last day of voting to be represented by the UTU, but at present we are not represented by anyone.

Gear Swinger, RAH has visited both the Lynx and Frontier offices, but I hesitate to repeat what was said on a public forum.

You asked about Lynx geting jets, I doubt it. Most likely we will be absorbed by one of the RAH regionals, so a Lynx pilot could end up in one of those jets in theory.

Republic IBT, Frontier FAPA, Midwest ALPA, Mokulele ? Assuming everyone is integrated, what union?

So the real question... Who gets furloughed? I mean Midwest pilots have the seniority over most of the RAH pilot group. The Lynx pilot group is relatively new, however has a lot of more senior pilots then the bottom quarter of the RAH pilot group. The Frontier group is more senior then 3/4 of the RAH pilot group (if not more) and two of the three have furloughed pilots? So would that not mean that those pilots whom are furloughed at Midwest and F9 would not have rights in a seat somewhere at RAH? And would that not mean that there would be a great deal of downgrades at RAH as well and some more furloughs? If I were a furloughed RAh pilot I'd be worried once this all gets worked out. It might be a long while before you ever get back on property.... So how does this all work out? We know Midwest has their contract, frontier has theirs, RAH has theirs (probably one of the worst out there due to their union), so which overrides the others? Or does it go back to "Career intentions?"

More furloughs? Umm...we'll be expanding most all of the certificates, so it will actually be the opposite within 6 months. The integration will happen, but since you work for neither company, we'll leave that to our unions. Just worry about getting your streak guys back and we'll worry about ours.

Expanding? While you cant fly against your Code Share routes? Parker and Airways already made it clear any route that USairways does in and out of MKE, DEN, MCI, Republic Holdings cannot operate. I am assuming it will be the same for UAL, DAL, CAL, American.... So perhaps you need to get your facts straight first.... Expanding in todays market! WOW you are smoking something. Who and what certificate would expand? Who would give you more flying? Wow. And wishful thinking on a lack of furloughs and downgrades.... WOW you are funny tonight. I'm glad we are all of the mentality like you of, "I've got mine so screw you." Your last statement says it well, you are only worried about RAH and yourself. And dont care how it will hurt the industry as a whole. Pretty sickening.

I agree... you understand the pilots at Republic. They undermined Midwest during contract negotiations and will do the same to our profession.

Can't call them scabs (yet) because they have only crossed a non-striking carriers picket line. They're "Virtual Scabs" following their spiritual leader.


ps. I will shut up... if a Repulic pilot can name one thing your local has done to support Midwest or the profession.

we have one of the best scope clauses out there. its one that will force the company to keep all pilots no matter what certificate they are on to be on one list so that there is no whipsawing or gojet scenario created. something ALPA couldnt or wouldnt do for TSA.

I wonder if the YX pilots will end up flying the 'van @ Mokulele. I hear its a fun job, although the 530AM flight from KOA to OGG may require a caffeine injection.

No whipsawing? What do you call hiding behind all these certificates? That's a whipsaw in itself..... American says you cannot fly a plane over 50 seats.... "Oh well CHQ is a differerent certificate so we are legally following the contract."

Does your scope clause speak to what happens with pilots whom are furloughed pilots with a DOH long before many of your pilots were even out of Junior High? I have a bad feeling the Midwest guys will have the USairways furloughed pilots results after that merger. They will be put at the bottom of the list and not one RAH pilot will even care how wrong it is.... Fact is these guys are great additions to their pilot group but they are too young to realize it as a whole.....

But I mean I guess it means the Captain who only has been at RAH 3-4 years belongs in the left seat over the Midwest B717 Captain or the MD80 Captain who has ten of thousands of flight hours.... I just do not see this ending good. And if it does and they all agree, I will be the first to admit I am wrong....

Is there even a Midwest any more? I mean or are all the planes going to say Connection? Even the mainline E190s?

Here comes the WHIPSAW


Republic may shift Frontier Airlines work to Milwaukee
By Tom Daykin of the Journal Sentinel

Posted: Sept. 3, 2009 9:48 p.m.



The company that recently bought Midwest Airlines and is buying Denver-based Frontier Airlines might shift 150 to 400 jobs from Denver and elsewhere to the Milwaukee area.

Republic Airways Holdings Inc. executives are considering the jobs shifts and could make a decision within 30 days, Republic Chief Executive Officer Bryan Bedford said Thursday.

Frontier Airlines Holdings Inc. said this week that creditors have approved its bankruptcy reorganization plan, including its planned purchase by Republic. Frontier said it expects its Sept. 10 confirmation hearing in bankruptcy court in New York to be "largely uncontested."

The Frontier jobs that are in play include a customer service center in Las Cruces, N.M., with 150 employees; another 150 heavy maintenance jobs at Denver International Airport, and around 100 other Denver-based positions, Bedford said.

The Las Cruces customer service center will definitely be relocated to save money, Bedford said. Milwaukee, Denver and Indianapolis, where Republic has its corporate headquarters, are each being considered for that operation, he said.

The Denver positions that are in play could stay in that city, or could be moved to Milwaukee or Indianapolis, he said.

The Milwaukee area is being considered in part because both the Midwest operations center, at 6744 S. Howell Ave. in Oak Creek, and the Midwest maintenance hangar near Mitchell International Airport have a lot of available space, Bedford said.

That's the result of job cuts that occurred at Midwest over the past year or so. Most of the cuts, involving over 2,000 positions, occurred before Midwest was sold to Republic on July 31 for $31 million.

Midwest has about 1,000 Milwaukee-area positions but is laying off its union pilots and flight attendants while replacing their aircraft with Republic jets. Those Midwest flight crews could be rehired by Republic, but only after their unions and the unions representing Republic flight crews merge their job seniority lists.

Bedford made his remarks in a meeting with the Journal Sentinel's editorial board. He also repeated plans by Republic to add more Midwest flights from Milwaukee, including renewed service to West Coast destinations.

"There will be some news coming," he said.

Some of those new flights will be on Airbus A319 and A320 jets from Frontier, Bedford said. Republic is scheduled to complete its purchase of Frontier on Oct. 1.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

Did I read that right? All the Midwest crews can be "Re-Hired" by RAH but only after interviewing for a job? Wow

Those who want to get into the industry get your application ready... RAH will be hiring!

I guess the thought of a few RAH guys I've spoken with about their union only pushing to secure the Midwest Pilots working during the time of the deal is true... Thus the other 300 plus are sitting on the street or below the rest of the RAH pilot group....

You also have this language in your contract...

b. Subject to applicable securities and other laws and
regulations, the Company will review with the union the
details of any material agreements relating to Successorship
transactions in a timely manner, provided that no financial or
other confidential business information need be disclosed
unless suitable arrangements are made for protecting the

confidentiality and use of such information.

c. The operations of the Company and those of the other air
carrier shall be kept separate unless and until the processes
described in paragraph b above is completed and the
seniority lists of the two pilot groups are integrated in
accordance with Sections 3 and 13 of the Allegheny-
Mohawk Labor Protective Provisions are completed. During
such time of separate operations, neither aircraft nor pilots

shall be interchanged without the Union’s written consent.


Midwest and Republic are being merged,

it's not a code-share anymore.

Are you following this section of your contract? NO
Did the Republic pilots stop integration talks? YES
Are more Republic pilots flying more Midwest flights and passengers everyday? YES
Are you flying 100 seat (1 seat blocked) aircraft with no payscale? YES

And you don't what to be called "VIRTUAL SCABS".

People earn respect with actions not words!

You are right its not a code share. However that section is still being followed. No Midwest Pilot can fly on either the RW, CHQ, or S5 certificate untill there is a master seniority list. At the same time no current RAH pilot can fly on the Midwest certificate (not that there is expected to be any flying on that certificate). No one has stopped integration talks. Just because it hasnt happend overnight doest mean its not going on. And if you think that we are just going to ignore the fact that the 190's physically have 100 seats and let the company pay us the 77-99 seat pay rate then you have lost all common sense. The union is all ready talking to the company about this and there is a system set up for the airplane to be operated while the pay rate is negotiated with back pay for when the rate is setteled upon.

On a side note; this company is very different from most airlines. They are very tight lipped on any information. They have the union sign confidentiality statements and that contributes to the utter vaccum of information that comes from the crystal palace up there in IND.

No where in the article does it say that. They will be going to training for the 190 as soon as the integration is complete. It is hard to figure where you could possibly read that they would need to interview.

I think a reasonable person can see that it is a violation of your contract. It's obvious that this is the replacement of more experienced better paid pilots enabled by RAH pilots.

Funny how the teamsters were gung ho at getting the integration done until the complete furlough of Midwest pilots was announced. They even had a bunch of meetings scheduled and then all of a sudden "we aren't available and won't be for awhile" and you wonder why we filed for arbitration. Something your union said they would if they were in alpa's place.