Letter from a gojets pilot
09-10-2009 | 05:15 AM
#132
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From: CL-65 CA
Well good thing your a "former" moderator now, because now I can tell you that you're wrong on all accounts. Circumventing a collective bargaining agreement is wrong on all fronts regardless of who is doing it. In this case the UA MEC endorsed going to "any" express carrier without much thought to the damage they were doing to their ALPA brothers.
A little a fact about the UA MEC; about 10 years ago, a bunch of reps. from different carriers brought forward a motion for a single seniority list, and the UA MEC was the first to oppose it. Fast forward to today, more specifically late last year, as the MEC started to see their career expectations and possibly their jobs at UA fade, now they decided that a single seniority list would be a great idea, and they brought the motion forward to national. The point of the story is that the UA MEC only cares about the UA MEC, they have proven time and time again to be as effective in fighting for the profession, as Tilton is managing the airline. So for all those guys that took the jobs at UA, whether or not you think is wrong, please know that you helped an alter-ego circumvent an ALPA contract.; but hey, it's your flying right? Good luck.
A little a fact about the UA MEC; about 10 years ago, a bunch of reps. from different carriers brought forward a motion for a single seniority list, and the UA MEC was the first to oppose it. Fast forward to today, more specifically late last year, as the MEC started to see their career expectations and possibly their jobs at UA fade, now they decided that a single seniority list would be a great idea, and they brought the motion forward to national. The point of the story is that the UA MEC only cares about the UA MEC, they have proven time and time again to be as effective in fighting for the profession, as Tilton is managing the airline. So for all those guys that took the jobs at UA, whether or not you think is wrong, please know that you helped an alter-ego circumvent an ALPA contract.; but hey, it's your flying right? Good luck.
09-10-2009 | 05:32 AM
#134
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Oh you mean like it's OK for someone to bash Go Jetss until they get furloughed and take a job there? (yes you Willie) Then it's ok to do a 180?
09-10-2009 | 05:33 AM
#135
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From: CL-65 CA
I hate to break it to you, but you ain't gonna overhaul the industry by mudslinging at yet another sh*tty regional.
I recently hung out with a Brit guy who's flying a Legacy now, but used to fly an EMB-145 at BMI Regional... right out the gate, his min GUARANTEE translated into USD was around $56k AS AN FO! You don't see that kind of money until you upgrade to captain in the U.S.
Another thing... they use seniority for promotion, but if they're also open to hiring direct entry captains if experienced enough, and funny thing - they don't seem to mind it nearly as much as you all would do, but then again, their mentality is quite a bit different from ours.
Oh yeah, and the first year captain pay? $93,000 USD for an ERJ-145 captain, and that's bare bones reserve. How long will it take a US regional pilot to make that here?
I asked him if it was a livable wage as a brand new FO. He said, it's an OK living. Much, much better living than your average US pilot flying the same equipment in the US.
The guy married an American girl, has an FAA license, but took one look at our payscales, and said "no, thanks. I can't believe people sign up for those wages!"
Hilarious...
I recently hung out with a Brit guy who's flying a Legacy now, but used to fly an EMB-145 at BMI Regional... right out the gate, his min GUARANTEE translated into USD was around $56k AS AN FO! You don't see that kind of money until you upgrade to captain in the U.S.
Another thing... they use seniority for promotion, but if they're also open to hiring direct entry captains if experienced enough, and funny thing - they don't seem to mind it nearly as much as you all would do, but then again, their mentality is quite a bit different from ours.
Oh yeah, and the first year captain pay? $93,000 USD for an ERJ-145 captain, and that's bare bones reserve. How long will it take a US regional pilot to make that here?
I asked him if it was a livable wage as a brand new FO. He said, it's an OK living. Much, much better living than your average US pilot flying the same equipment in the US.
The guy married an American girl, has an FAA license, but took one look at our payscales, and said "no, thanks. I can't believe people sign up for those wages!"
Hilarious...
09-10-2009 | 05:37 AM
#136
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From: CL-65 captain
YES YOU DID ASK TO GO THERE! you sent them your resume, got an interview where you sold yourself to the company and told them you wanted to work there, etc.
I'ts not like you were Shanghai'd off the street and chained to the right seat of a GJ rj!
09-10-2009 | 06:23 AM
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No I love him. I won't let go, but the other day he told me to change my hair color like his friend Jessica. He must be cheating on me. Long pause.. No he loves you there is no way. No I know he's cheating. Long stare... fade away to next scene...
09-10-2009 | 06:31 AM
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From: B737CA
Surely you mean differEnt, right? I don't know how different it might be. After all, he was flying as a feeder pilot, just like you are. Granted, it's in Europe... but I hate to say it, nowhere else in the world are pilots working for such peanuts as you are here.
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